Cannabis legalisation?

[Spud1]

its a difficult question, with a clear answer if you think logically about it, and take into account UK law. It should be legalised for general used, with restrictions placed on it including age, and how much you can buy at once.

No-body can justify having both alcohol and tobacco legalised, but not cannabis - in any state, doesnt matter if its just some crappy indica depressing green, a high grade skunk varient such as AK47/white rhino(best ive tried that btw, much better than super skunk ) or any of the types of hashish.

I openly smoke it when i get the chance ( a few hours off), and I don't see it as a problem. I'm not addicted (can go for indescriminate periods of time without cravings etc) and have a great time using it. Its especially good at stress relief, feel so much better sparking after a particualrly bad days work. Just like some people reach for the bottle, a fag, food, etc, i come home to weed

My use is moderate - 1/8th of an oz every 1-2 weeks. Ok so thats gone up since i first started but its been sitting there for a while, and i dont think its going to change much.

As with any drug, i think the problems lie more with overuse than anything else. Alcohol is fine for a few drinks a week - the problems appear wehen you overindulge (ie get drunk). Ciggs are different in that each one causes you a fair bit of damage, but heavy use will still do you a lot more damage than light use.

Most of the medical problems with cannabis are because the majority of people smoke it through joints - mixtures of cannabis and a small amount of tobacco. People often put in more baccy than needed (forgetting why its there in the first place, to help keep the joint burning longer) causing health risks that wouldnt be there if it was smoked using a pipe or bong. Granted my preference is to use it through joints, but ive used bongs/pipes too.

What about the social problems..again this is related to heavy use. Yes if you smoke it 24/7 its going to mess you up. I know ppl who this has happened to and its not nice; one of them spends £180 a week on it - thats 2oz a week! just a bit of overuse there methinks..

As for it being a gateway drug? thats bull tbh. The only reason why this might happen is because the dealers who sell cannabis normally sell other stuff too. They might offer you some and bang there you go. 99% of users have enough common sense to stay away from it though..and those that don't would probably have gone onto harder stuff anyway.

light to moderate use doesnt cause the problems mentioned in your essay - theres no CONCLUSIVE proof for any of the arguements against it, its just a shame that i doubt the government will ever see that.

legalising it could provide us with a stable, guarenteed supply - i'm thinking like holland here where you can walk into a coffee shop and just openly ask for 1/8th of White rhino or whatever, whereas here its a case of buying what you can get - which is often crappy mids that could be anything (unless you know a grower or big dealer). Plus they could tax the hell out of it which has got to be a good enough reason for any government

[Spud1]

Solids are always gonna be bad, as has been said earlier though, skunk and weed need to be in classes of their own tbh

pfft

skunk is just a strain of weed...


Solid is in fact the best you can get - assuming you get GOOD solid. by that i mean pure resin. iirc resin is made using a polinator and press, which basically means you take your grade, grind it up and left behind in your grinder is a load of dust - actually resin - in your grinder. A pollinator grinder will collect this in the bottom, which after you have enough you can pour into a press and help shape it into more recognisable resin. You can get some very very very strong stuff this way

Most people see solid as bad becuase they get the stuff thats only about 10-20% cannabis - the rest is just filler or diesel oil (its commonly smuggled in to the country in diesel cans, hence the diesel content). Proper resin is very expensive and hard to get, tried some in holland that cost us £50 for 2 joiunts worth..was good tho

oh and final point, honest

read

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

especially the bits about myths - will be enlightening for some

[Knoxville]

nah, theres some skunk knocking about these days thats crazy compared to old fashioned stuff, some of it deserves to be class B imo

[Ben Rogers]

nah, theres some skunk knocking about these days thats crazy compared to old fashioned stuff, some of it deserves to be class B imo

I agree, Ive smoked AK47 and it was okay but about 1/10 of the strength of some stuff I used to smoke 8th - quarter oz a day of.

At the time I struggled to get stoned off AK47 but its considered good stuff and is obviously much better than non skunk weed.

2 drags and I was properly stoned off the best stuff.

I would need to smoke about £300 worth of normal weed to get as stoned as I used to off £40 a day of good stuff.

[shiato storm]

aargh god!! can everybody please stop going on about the bloody stuff. in fact take some and get the matter over and done with! perhaps we could fumagate the houses of parliament. we'd get so much stuff for us then! and the world would be a happy place!

[Ben Rogers]

pfft

skunk is just a strain of weed...


Solid is in fact the best you can get - assuming you get GOOD solid. by that i mean pure resin. iirc resin is made using a polinator and press, which basically means you take your grade, grind it up and left behind in your grinder is a load of dust - actually resin - in your grinder. A pollinator grinder will collect this in the bottom, which after you have enough you can pour into a press and help shape it into more recognisable resin. You can get some very very very strong stuff this way

Most people see solid as bad becuase they get the stuff thats only about 10-20% cannabis - the rest is just filler or diesel oil (its commonly smuggled in to the country in diesel cans, hence the diesel content). Proper resin is very expensive and hard to get, tried some in holland that cost us £50 for 2 joiunts worth..was good tho

oh and final point, honest

read

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

especially the bits about myths - will be enlightening for some

£50 for two joints of hash? how much in each joint quarter oz?

must have been pretty incredible to say the least!

[shelley bda]

Proper resin is very expensive and hard to get, tried some in holland that cost us £50 for 2 joiunts worth..was good tho

Bloody Nora!!! you wouldn't want to waste it by giving the dog blowbacks would you ????



*Would like to point out that giving poor defenceless animals pot is cruel and i don't condone it
( poor Jon won't be having any pot for a while then )

[Spud1]

well we put lots in anyway, but not normally this much seeing as the normal grade we get is just green (verious strains) £50 was for 5g iirc, and yes it was very very good worth it though...love amsterdam, not sure i live there (without becomeing a heavy smoker lol) as we spent 260 euros in 4 days on just cannabis between 2 of us...scary lol (but then this was with the person who spends £180 a week on weed, she IS a heavy smoker)

[Ben Rogers]

Is this person who smokes £180 a week not messed up in the slightest? as when it starts going over an 8th a day of good stuff it starts doing bad things to the brain in my experience.

[Spud1]

Can't speak for her brain, but she dropped out of uni this year and so is going back to re-start in september. She's a really great person who i get on with well, still has all her personality etc etc - she hasnt gone crazy or stupid from it Just lazy more than anything else. Currently her life is basically spending the weekends toking with her mates - chain smoking them every 30mins at times (blunts/J's) - sleeping half the day and then working wed/thurs/fri in a garden center. The amazing thing is that her parents don't know about it! She's at the point when she is stoned virtually all the time, therefore its not an issue as she doesnt seem any different to them ;/

while that kind of life would be great for a while, theres no way i could do that constantly; Would feel like i was wasting my life away

[phunkygal]

it should be legalised for ms/neuroligical disease sufferers but thats all. at the moment my group of friends are all medium to heavy users and it scares me at how much money they waste on the stuff. i no longer touch the stuff (never did much anyway) apart from festivals or special occasions, but bf and mates smoke it every day. it gets kind of annoying in the evenings when everyone is stoned /tired and your jus sittin there sober. living in a house with four of them in september which is going to be interesting.

as for leading to other drugs definetley yes. people i know who started smokin dope when they were 13+ now on much heavier drugs, mdma ,coke, e, ketamin etc and becoming dependant. i know someone who dropped out as well - spent all day smokin and playing cs and didnt go to hardly any lectures/do work all year. its sad reallty cos he was real intelligent.

i think it has a very different effect on different people and some people can handle a heavy use and appear fine, but their messing with their insides in the long term.

[Theo]

it should be legalised for ms/neuroligical disease sufferers but thats all.

Why? I'm a medicinal user that doesn't have a neurological disease, but cannabis vastly improves my quality of life. Various prescription drugs and other treatments have not provided me with any relief, so why should I be denied my medicine of choice?

[phunkygal]

or for anyone with a disease that it seriously helps.

[Ben Rogers]

Drugs that create links in the brain, not weed related ones, that weren't present before and when the effects wear off link them up in different ways than before, is what leads to harder drugs imo , but hard ish drugs like mdma and lsd causes it in the first place but I think strong skunk can have this effect in a more subtle way than harder drugs but its still present Im sure. Creates different people within people imo, like if you smoke enough skunk the brain can actually be nothing to do with the person who speaks, like a different person in the brain that has nothing to do with anything in the real world.

[Jonny]

I wouldn't say the benefits [I]far[I/] outweigh the risks, but yeah, it's a matter of personal opinion as to whether you smoke cannabis or not. And I don't think I would ever tell somebody not to do it, except in the unlikely event that it got completely out of hand, in which case I would offer help.

[silent ben]

Legalise it, stick a 500% tax on it to bring it in line with tabacco and alcohol and not only are you making sure all the cannabis is good (no seeds, stems etc), the government is also making a killing on the tax.

I for one have never smoked cannabis and i never plan to.

Ben