Cannabis is a dangerous drug shocker!!

[VladTheImpaler]

Have a look here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/3399805.stm

The summing up by the coroner is a joke. The man killed his neighbour with a gun whilst completely drunk. He grew Cannabis in his attic....so.....it was the Cannabis that was responsible! Nothing to do with the alchohol then. Yep, it was the drugs. Those untaxed drugs....not the nice and safe and taxed booze, which he happened to be 'high' on at the time he commited murder but the illegal dopey drug which he was not high on, but which he happened to grow in his attic. !!!!!

So, if I beat my missus up one night and there is booze in the house does that mean that booze made me do it? Obviously, because I have it in the house that means I am addicted to it, therefore it is bad and evil! Nothing to do with the Angel Dust I was on at the time then.....

[floppybootstomp]

methinks the Coroner took a back-hander off of Her Majesty's Goverment/spooks or was clearly promoting his own agenda

pillock

[Russ]

So, if I beat my missus up one night and there is booze in the house does that mean that booze made me do it? Obviously, because I have it in the house that means I am addicted to it, therefore it is bad and evil! Nothing to do with the Angel Dust I was on at the time then.....

any 1 who beats the missus up should be slapped with any crimes they can pin on them and sent to prison for a long time anyway.

[floppybootstomp]

any 1 who beats the missus up should be slapped with any crimes they can pin on them and sent to prison for a long time anyway.

good grief. I agree with Russ. That's right, innit, but not strictly within the law. Fair point though.

But this fella didn't beat up his wife, he just murdered another fella. Oh, that's OK then.

And what about husbands who are beaten up by their wives? Same rule apply?

[Russ]

im sure in 99% of those cases the bloke would find it easier to get out of the relationship than the woman. please please dont start a debate with me on abuse at home cos i could preach all day on the things i've read about at work and witnessed.

thing is, he murdered sum1, stoned or not, he deserves life.

the three things i hate most in the world are:
men who hit women
rapists
and fog lights... ok joke that 1

[floppybootstomp]

OK Russ, I actually agree with you, especially on the fog lights

he murdered, he deserves life, no argument.

But I believe the issue here is that he was affected by alcohol, and not cannabis, at the time of the murder. Then the Coroner blames the whole incident on another intoxicant that usually has the complete opposite effect of wanting to kill somebody.

[Russ]

yup, it may have been the drugs. but he could have had mental health problems, and they _MAY_ have been induced by smokin to much canabis. and no1 (especcialy u punky ) tell me it isnt related to mental health problems, cos it is.

[DeludedGuy]

Over a long period of time, cannabis really does harm the brain, and nothing anybody can say will make me think differently.

The reason is becuase my Uncle has been smoking cannabis for over 11 years, and he isnt as sharp as before, he begins talking about insane stuff, and he talks slowly.

Last month he called my house at 3 am, just to tell me that he has a new carrer plan, he was telling me how he was going to go to India and buy furniture, and then sell it over here. I really feel sorry for him, he is a genuine nice guy, but drugs have ruined his mind.

[Rave]

Jeez, and they employ this guy as a coroner? By those standards I should be the Met commissioner.....

Someone get his phone number, I want to phone him up and inform him he's a spaz.

Rich :¬)

[floppybootstomp]

Over a long period of time, cannabis really does harm the brain, and nothing anybody can say will make me think differently.

The reason is becuase my Uncle has been smoking cannabis for over 11 years, and he isnt as sharp as before, he begins talking about insane stuff, and he talks slowly.

Last month he called my house at 3 am, just to tell me that he has a new carrer plan, he was telling me how he was going to go to India and buy furniture, and then sell it over here. I really feel sorry for him, he is a genuine nice guy, but drugs have ruined his mind.

omg! There's no hope for me

only 11 years?

/me does quick calculation.... hmm, I'm gone, I'm solid gone.....

sorry

[VladTheImpaler]

"Over a long period of time, cannabis really does harm the brain, and nothing anybody can say will make me think differently."


So does long term alchohol abuse. The point is that there is no reason to pick on one as being wrong and therefore banned. This coroner is a moron. So much for finding the truth in a coroner's court. He was more interested in making a shoddy political statement. I wonder if he wants to be an MP??

[Russ]

the coroner was wrong to say it was a drug related offence, but im no coroner, and i doubt you are, so who are we to comment on his findings?

[Punky]

alritey then, time for my tuppence....

1. i know it can lead to mental illness, but from what i've researched into it, it can only lead to schizophrenia or similar if the illness is present already in the body. i know it can cause other problems, but making someone an emotionless psychopath!? i think not. the beer is most likely to blame for that. emotionless psychopathy most commonly stems from separation and deprivation from the mother/primary care-giver during childhood, especially the critical development period (birth up to bout 18months i think, cba to get textbook). i do psychology at college btw....

2. i have never had the urge to kill anyone whilst stoned/drunk/both. this was a long running argument that came to a very tragic climax, and using weed as a scapegoat is f*ckin sick. how many stoners would kill someone!? they are nearly all pacifists, or don;t have the effort anyway. alcohol is the main cause in this IMHO - it states in the article that there was a lot of alcohol in his blood at the time of the incident. why havn't they said if there was any cannabis in there too? i see that as there was no cannabis present, or if so, very little, but they still want to use the fact that he smoked it to cover up he was out his mind on one of the worst drugs their is - alcohol. its media censorship and manipulation of facts.

3. where is the proof he was addicted to cannabis? that statement is bullsh*t! cannabis is only psychologically addictive, not physically addictive, and there is no way to prove a dead man had a psychological addiction! plus when they say its bad for you - does anyone (especially me) think that it lines your lungs with velvet and makes you mastermind!? its a risk cannabis smokers take, but its not half as bad as the risks many drinkers take, or the situations drinking gets them into sometimes.

4. Russ - how could you tell i'd rant? at least i've given a balanced argument this time. i aint sayin that his smoking of cannabis didn't lead to this, but i am also saying i do not believe in any way that it was a main factor in this case.

sorry for goin on on this subject, i couldn't resist.
peace.

[floppybootstomp]

Punky:

Now then, what's the expression I'm looking for?

erm, oh yes, here it is: right on

[VladTheImpaler]

"but im no coroner, and i doubt you are, so who are we to comment on his findings?"

By that token who are we to comment on anything? My mistrust of 'experts' comes from the ones who told us in the 90's that there was no possible way to contract BSE from eating infected meat. New Variant CJD anyone? 'Expert' opinion is just as easily bought and sold as any other commodity. Why should I trust it with this in mind?

[Rave]

My mistrust of 'experts' comes from the ones who told us in the 90's that there was no possible way to contract BSE from eating infected meat. New Variant CJD anyone?

Um, where's the proof that nvCJD comes from beef? I haven't seen any. The prion that causes it is not the same as the BSE one. Pure supposition mate. If you're going to get angry about people ignoring scientific advice, you should get upset about the government wasting our tax money ****ing up our beef industry.

Rich :¬)