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http://www.airforce.dnd.ca/dfs/pdf/R...I/CT155202.pdf
pdf of the accident report here
http://www.airforce.dnd.ca/dfs/pdf/R...I/CT155202.pdf
Surely the plane could have been saved though, my brother was involved in a birdstrike when he was training in a Piper Warrior (can't remember exact model), he showed me pictures of it and the propellars afterwards, they were hideously mangled, the windscreen was punctured and cracked (beaded) where the remains of the bird hit the screen and there was lots of blood caked on the windscreen.
My point is, my brother, at the time (he is now a fully qualified airline pilot) was on his own and sigificantly less experienced AND on a single prop plane, but he was still able to land the plane okay so he was just about to enter his final approach when it happened, he was still able to land a heavily crippled aircraft from miles away on his own...
Obviously, from the sounds of things, the bird was sucked into the left engine which I'd imagine at the most caused a fire in the engine, which still left the other engine operable, surely the pilot could have landed the plane and saved the tax payers a cool $2.5 million+... to be honest I'm actually quite disgusted...
It's a jet, not a plane. Plane's can usually glide back down, jets require their engines to fly in any way, otherwise they fall
The Hawk was at departure end of the runway - no power/airspeed to go around.Originally Posted by BEANFro Elite
Beanfro - you can glide a Cessna for MILES without engine power, in a jet the effect of engine failure is catastrophic, especially as that engine doesn't just push the plane forward, it also powers all of the hydraulic systems on the jet (including the landing gear)
The jet had just left the runway - look at the airspeed reading on the top left, he has just enough speed to get airborne and suddenly a birdstrike causes engine failure, the plane is only a few hundred feet high in altitude at a speed only just above stalling.
Restarting a jet engine requires a HUGE electrical charge and is a challenge even to a jet that has the time and airspeed to turn the turbines, consider the Eurofighter - this aircraft has 11 seconds of power after engine failure. Thats 11 seconds to start an engine that requires a 5 minute start in normality.
And the hawk has only one engine, not two
Did anyone notice that english voice with the beeping? Was that the voice on the jet computer or something? Why is it english if it is the Canadian Airforce?
Yeh, that's the on-board computer. It does sound very british, could be british made, dunno
Propeller driven aircraft generate a lot of lift in their design. Id they lose engine power they have glide properties (one of the reasons I preferred being flown about in Hercs). Modern jet aircraft have the glide properties of a breezeblock. So if they have height a pilot that has lost an engine and can't restart will try and point it roughly at a piece of cheap real estate if he can and then exits stage left.
When I was a schoolboy an RAF Canberra came down on a row of houses in my town (Huntingdon). The 2 crew stayed with it trying to avoid the houses. They both died as as a result, neither attempted to eject. They were coming in to land at RAF Whitton (I think) and had no height, less than 500 feet, when the engines failed.
"You want loyalty? ......get a dog!"
Here's a link:
http://forum.huntingdonshire.info/fo...sts.asp?TID=26
The crew stayed on as to eject would have meant that the plane would have hit the school.
"You want loyalty? ......get a dog!"
The Hawk is made by BAE Systems i.e it's British.
RAF Wyton
Used to be home to 3 Canberra squadrons & 1 of Nimrod R.1s
Why don't you check some facts before posting stuff like this? I note that your forum status is "simply GODLIKE". You obviously think very highly of yourself if you can make sweeping statements like this.
BEANFro Elite - it only has 1 engine. not 2. It couldn't land. I just hope the guy that was injured in the process of ejecting was alrite.
Dave
I could've landed it.
Most jets have a glide ratio of 1:9, although the hawk has a fairly small wing area, comparitively it should be able to manage the same.
To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.
Sorry: "" means I'm joking.
To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.
Jesus thats an eye opener and no mistake!
Beanfro - oh dear
Butuz
Erm...my brother is a fully qualified pilot, I think HE would know a thing or two about how a plane can fly a plane with a signle engine... oh and guess what, you do engine failure on take-off as part of your training, and furthermore its been known for a few planes to have flown for hours with only a portion of wing / tail missing in one case both the tail and wing with big chunks missing...
That said, I haven't been able to read the documentation of the incident as Adobe Acrobat isn't installed on this laptop I'm using...
But until then... I stick to my guns when I say, the plane could have been saved...
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