An improved UFC - Fronted by CHUCK NORRIS!

[Bazzlad]

As you probably all know, I'm a huge boxing fan, and visit America often, and as such, got wind of UFC quite a while back.

I entertained it one night and must say, I thought it was utter . It was (to an extent) skill less, horrible, pointless crap.

Watching two men on the floor elbowing each other to the face was and is not my idea of entertainment.

So imagine my joy when I hear Chuck Norris (Demi-God) decided to create his own version, which is basically what every fight fan wants to see, boxers, karate, thai boxers, kick boxers etc, against each other fairly.

No wrestling on the floor, no lying down, proper 10 count kos and a LOT of skill displayed.

Not only that, but clever chuck had the idea of areas having teams, thus getting you behind your area, as opposed to individual fighters. Genius.

Ladies and gentlemen may Chuck and I present to you the World Combat League.

http://www.worldcombatleague.com/news.html

And enjoy this quick highlight reel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWU48ZYdR4Q

[Dareos]

can't clicky link at work but from what you are saying...


Chuck has had the phenomenal idea of K1.... with teams




umm ok

[Bazzlad]

K-1 is predominatly kickboxing, and has a lot of uneven, skill less bouts. On top of that, Chuck WCL has the WORLDS best ring design bar none. No where for fighters to grab rest/soak up punishment Ali style.

Check it out when you're home. I'm well impressed by it. Less of the brainless violence, and a little more class.

[Theo]

How are wrestling and BJJ not as skillful as stand up fighting?

[Bazzlad]

To reply to your question and to prove why I believe that UFC/Pride is pure crap watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ1fo7SR4og

I'm sorry but grappling and wrestling simply isn't as skillful as boxing/kicking, nor anywhere entertaining. It's how 3 years old fight.*


*And I feel I can justify that statement having done both.
Self-Defense which was wrestling/grappling and holds etc and boxing, which I do now. No contest in skill levels.

[Theo]

Sorry mate, I think you're wrong. Of course, it's mostly personal preference as to what you think is more skillful/more entertaining. However, outright saying that a sport that covers only one aspect of fighting is more skillful than one that covers several is plain silly.

I'll agree to disagree, for a person who chose Butterbean as an example of MMA, I don't think it's worth my effort.

[Lowe]

I'm sorry Bazz but that's not the case. Grappling and ground work is just as technical as stand up striking styles. It's also a lot more intense and in my opinion requires a greater level of fitness.

When locked up on the ground even in a stalemate you're constantly expending energy, whereas when you're on your feet if you're not actually kicking punching you're not wasting *as much* energy. The balance between holding someone off enough without wasting energy when on the ground is extremely difficult to judge without a lot of experience.

Yes it's not as exciting to watch, the KO's aren't as spectacular in all cases since someone will tap out, but don't ever expect to get away with saying groundwork isn't technical.

[Bazzlad]

Sorry mate, I think you're wrong. Of course, it's mostly personal preference as to what you think is more skillful/more entertaining. However, outright saying that a sport that covers only one aspect of fighting is more skillful than one that covers several is plain silly.

I'll agree to disagree, for a person who chose Butterbean as an example of MMA, I don't think it's worth my effort.

The fact that I chose Butterbean proves a massive point.
1) Weight Class. Or lack thereof.
2) I was actually pointing out the other bloke, and the fact that of 5 mintues 4.40 were on the floor. Entertaining? No. Skillful? I'm still going with no.

I have done both and found wrestling, grappling and holds simplistic, I've also tried Karate and Thai boxing - both of which are highly skilled arts, the point is mastering wrestling and holds can be done in a year, maybe two, how long will it take to master Karate?

And although groundwork is tiring, a good 3 minutes boxing can be equally as tiring, if not more so.

Each to their own, but Chuck has got it right - and it'll sell.

[megah0]

Groundwork and wrestling are more technical than striking in my opinion. And yes, I train both.

If you know what you are looking at a ground battle is every bit as exciting as a stand up fight, even more so in some cases.

[Theo]

Both the UFC and Pride have weight divisions. Pride do occassionally have open weight fights and staged a multi-event open-weight tournament last year. So seemingly you're quite wrong.

Perhaps holds are simplistic in practice, but when you've got someone on/under you trying to escape/hitting you in the face/going for their own submission, you'll probably find it takes a little more skill than what you do in a self defence class.

I've no idea where you get the idea that mastering BJJ, wrestling or any other grappling arts can be done in a year. Maybe you're so talented that you can do this? I'd certainly like to see that. Money where your mouth is and whatnot.

[Bazzlad]

I'm shocked that I appear in the minority here, but if you like watching it, you like watching it. For me, if I want to see a floor fight I visit my Niece and Nephew

Also, just a point:

*Striking* and boxing and two million leagues apart, a lot of boxers have made the swap over to these mixed martial art sports and done well (funnily enough butterbean is a good example) whereas I'm hard pressed to name the transition the other way round with the exception of Skelton.

[megah0]

"Striking" being a combination of traditional boxing skills along with Muay Thai strikes such as knees, elbows and kicks or Keysi attacking methods such as head butts, pensattack, forearm smashes etc.

Although I would agree Traditional Karate is not as much use for self defence, I practice it for strength and flexibility.

[Bazzlad]

Both the UFC and Pride have weight divisions. Pride do occassionally have open weight fights and staged a multi-event open-weight tournament last year. So seemingly you're quite wrong.

Please quote where I said UFC or PRIDE had no weight classes.

I made a statement about that style of open fighting contents, and named no specifics, also by showing you a competition, from pride which showed, imho, the youth and stupidity (occasionally) of these "Companies"/"Governing bodies". Weight classes were invented for a reason.

I've no idea where you get the idea that mastering BJJ, wrestling or any other grappling arts can be done in a year. Maybe you're so talented that you can do this? I'd certainly like to see that. Money where your mouth is and whatnot.

I'll put my money where my mouth is you take up boxing, and I'll take up wrestling and we'll see who masters what first.

[Bazzlad]

"Striking" being a combination of traditional boxing skills along with Muay Thai strikes such as knees, elbows and kicks or Keysi attacking methods such as head butts, pensattack, forearm smashes etc.

Bruce Lee himself wrote in his diarys (whilst paralysed) of the strength and superior technique of Western boxing compared to other arts, and especially slated that of Thai boxers. The only more impressive "strike" is a kickboxers spinning back punch, but so wild....

[Theo]

Please quote where I said UFC or PRIDE had no weight classes.

I made a statement about that style of open fighting contents, and named no specifics, also by showing you a competition, from pride which showed, imho, the youth and stupidity (occasionally) of these "Companies"/"Governing bodies". Weight classes were invented for a reason.

I got the wrong impression from what you were saying.

I'll put my money where my mouth is you take up boxing, and I'll take up wrestling and we'll see who masters what first.

Funnily enough, I've never said that boxing was easier or less technical than grappling. Or that I could "master" it faster than they could "master" a grappling art. Speak for yourself mate.

[megah0]

Bruce Lee himself wrote in his diarys (whilst paralysed) of the strength and superior technique of Western boxing compared to other arts, and especially slated that of Thai boxers. The only more impressive "strike" is a kickboxers spinning back punch, but so wild....

Looking only at one aspect of an art seems a little narrow minded to me.

Yes boxing is effective but as effective as an art which uses all the weapons of the human body? I do not believe so.