I recently took up drumming. We already have an electronic drum kit from the kids so that's saved a few hundred quid, and just leaves £20 a week for lessons. I'm loving it, and you get quite a lot of lessons for the cost of a 4090FEOriginally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
OTOH for my other hobby, I recently put petrol in the car and like an idiot drove off with the petrol cap sat on the roof. That's a locking race spec flush fitting petrol cap, £120 delivered. Expensive hobby to make mistakes in
CAT-THE-FIFTH (13-10-2022)
Remember when the top ends cards were the same price as the previous top end. The midrange was the same price as the last midrange and so on.
So you could get a £250 card every generation and get a performance jump or a £600 card etc.
Now you buy a £250 card each generation you get the same performance with just an ever increasing price at the top end. I don't know when the switch was, we used to get the new top end is 30% and costs the same as the last top end, now we get the new top end is 30% more but 'only costs 25% more, what great value.
As it is the scalpers are back in full swing so I am hoping we don't have the previous supply/miner problems and the scalpers get stung badly.
AGTDenton (13-10-2022),CAT-THE-FIFTH (13-10-2022)
We put the same facts in a thread here somewhere - it's true, he had to address concerns of excess inventory of 3000 parts so claiming to put new products in above them was the only way to swing it.
That depends on the competition playing ball though - AMD have a big open goal in front of them if they can release products that offer substantially better performance for the money than the 3000 series for most kinds of gaming (I still think RT is not performant enough on 3000 series to be considered part of the equation). That does depend on AMD not having excess stock they need to get rid of too though!
CAT-THE-FIFTH (13-10-2022)
Which 4080 is that one, the one that is a 4080 or the one that is technically the 4070 but priced like the 4080? That's what it looks like they've done, gullible joe public will not see the difference sadly. On the point of new power supplies, what's the point when ATX 3.0 is due soon enough? I've got a Corsair 1200W sat in my PC, it was a Corsair 850W, but the spikes on the 3090FE caused me some concern, certainly enough to upgrade it.
I find myself spending more time on other hobbies. I've just got an air rifle, so learning how to use that properly (lots of wood pigeons where I live...), aside from that I seem to be spending more time at work lately and the extra money is useful for the increase in energy prices. If the energy prices remain high (we all know they will deep down), then I think getting a new graphics card or CPU that uses even more power isn't really the way to go.
RT performance with DLSS 2.0 on the 3090FE isn't an issue, not sure about below that. Being honest, sure it's a nice to have, but not a need to have when playing games.
CAT-THE-FIFTH (13-10-2022)
I kind of got lucky with some mispriced computer parts,so manage to get a Ryzen 7 5700X,another monitor,etc reasonably cheap to extend the lifespan of what I have. Bought some new camera and audio gear too.I recently took up drumming. We already have an electronic drum kit from the kids so that's saved a few hundred quid, and just leaves £20 a week for lessons. I'm loving it, and you get quite a lot of lessons for the cost of a 4090FE
OTOH for my other hobby, I recently put petrol in the car and like an idiot drove off with the petrol cap sat on the roof. That's a locking race spec flush fitting petrol cap, £120 delivered. Expensive hobby to make mistakes in
Exactly - the variation in USD pricing wasn't massive. Now if you want to get a 50% performance uplift,you might have to spend nearly 50% more.
The switch started when the Kepler was released. Nvidia released its 300MM2 midrange die at high end prices,and then later released the true high end 500MM2~600MM2 die product later on as the nearly £1000 Titan. This normalised a near doubling of high end prices,and Nvidia repeated releasing the midrange die as a high end die. It's why I argued so much against what I was seeing back then.
You saw it with Pascal,with the 300MM2 die product being released as the nearly £600 GTX1080. But at least price/performance sort of was a reasonable improvement for most of the range.
Then you had the second mining boom,and Nvidia released Turing which was stagnant. It was the first time IIRC where they tried overpricing the new generation so they could sell off the old generation at RRP,because it look a relative bargain.
Now they have done it again. The real problem is PCMR gamers who are increasingly justifying this,instead of looking purely at price/performance improvements per tier.
The RT performance on my RTX3060TI is OK,but you need DLSS to actually get useful framerates and TBF I only tried it in Cyberpunk 2077 to see what it looks like. I still think gameplay and worldbuilding is more important than pure graphics fidelity,as long as there is a passable level of graphics.
They are already down $1.4 billion:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nv...evenue-plunges
Its exactly the same situation we had with Turing. Nvidia had loads of Pascal stock due to the 2nd mining boom and sadly it worked. Pascal was sold off with not much of a discount.
The AMD of old would go in for the kill,but not the new margins focussed AMD. AMD will most likely only slightly undercut Nvidia again,and in the UK the lack of reference models being available means street prices will be higher.
This is apparently the leak of the AMD range going about.
It looks like another bump up in prices,meaning the RX7600XT is going to be not cheap either. There are also persistant rumours the RX7600XT will only be an 8GB card with a 128 bit memory bus,and a PCI-E 5.0 8X interface. Its most likely going to be $400+ at this rate.
Hence,if you don't have at least PCI-E 4.0(like my system does not have ATM),I would need to invest in a new motherboard or even a new platform to maximise performance.
The only way to solve this is a persistant crash in sales for Nvidia,AMD and Intel so they are forced to price the more mainstream options at saner prices.
The RTX4080 12GB uses a sub 300MM2 die. That is not much larger than GA106 used in the RTX3060!
At best this should be a RTX4070. But Nvidia wants $900 for it.
Also the power consumption of modern dGPUs is getting a bit too high for my liking. Not only because of energy costs but heat and noise too.
I think a console is probably the way to go now,if you really want to chase graphics especially since the companies are updating these every few years. The cost of dGPUs(and then probably needing a CPU upgrade),is starting to make the costs too high IMHO.
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Iota (14-10-2022)
Also,DLSS3 works on Nvidia Turing:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-dlss-3-f...ouble-the-fps/
You just need to look at the dates to see that's a completely made up chart. *50 parts don't release at the same time or before *00 parts.This is apparently the leak of the AMD range going about.
Interesting.
Especially this part;
Considering a 3090 / 3090Ti have 24GB of VRAM then any overhead should be a fairly moot point for those cards.a config file to remove the VRAM overhead
There might be a 3D cache version but I would imagine it will be called RX 7900 3D or XT 3D. But the rumour is that while two 3D stacks of cache are possible it has diminishing returns. Would be something they may only consider if they can reliably overtake 4090 / 4090 Ti with it.
The table having two cache values might indicate 3D version but then again Navi 33 is a monolith... so totally made-up table?
Nvidia U-turn on the RTX4060....sorry RTX4080 12GB:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17614...-rtx-4080-card
Iota (15-10-2022)
We have one scalper in London selling 20 RTX 4090's on facebook marketplace and we wonder why we cannot get any.
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Lets just hope there is more stock coming soon and scalpers get stung.
I didn't even notice it uses the 104 chip, which as you say, is normally the x060 card. Sheesh, the greed has well and truly got to them.
You would think they would do the opposite, make the 4060 so fast that Intel's stuff only manages 4050 performance and gets labelled as low end.
I guess they really aren't bothered by Intel.
Iota (15-10-2022)
Coming soon, 4070!
Well, they could argue that the card name is more about comparative performance than chipset and that 4080 12GB is a reaso ..... aw, nuts, even I can't sell that one. I mean, I don't mind the occassional light troll with a dollop of devil's advocate but there's the ridiculous and then there's .... that.
Not that card name reflecting performance is inherently a bad idea. As with the CPU clock speed discussion elsewhere, the only metric that actually much counts is real-world performance, but given that different people have different use cases, a metric that's already extremely hard to define gets eeven harder. e.g. how much difference does extra memory make? It depends what games you play, or will play, and/or what non-gaming uses you have.
I guess "unlaunching" the 12GB card is, overall, a Good Thing. It did, after all, at a minimum appear to be about being deceitful. nVidia don't get many brownie points from me for it, though - it's kinda like catching a burglar in the act and him putting your stuff back, then trying to sell the notion that all's well. Oh look, we tried to rip people off, got called on it so we're going to pretend it never happened? It's in the mens rea, nVidia.
A lesson learned from PeterB about dignity in adversity, so Peter, In Memorium, "Onwards and Upwards".
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