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About LinkBacksThe price will drop eventually but right now most like monarchcomputer has some good deal with ATI that's allowing them to lower the price.
The price will drop eventually but right now most like monarchcomputer has some good deal with ATI that's allowing them to lower the price.
wen i had my big computer upgrade last (January i think) i went for a super duper graphics card - the X850XT and a cheapy CPU - AMD 64 3000 (winchester)
my thinking since then was that it would have been better to get a better CPU and a mid range GPU.
i was reading somthing the other day however either here or on anandtech and that artice said it was better to have the better GPU and slower CPU and OC the CPU (so many acronyms i hope their all in the right place)
any views i.e, would it now be better to get say the X1800xl and a better cpu or....?
Your CPU is woefully underpoweredOriginally Posted by UKMuFFiN
If you look around the web at press who tested X1800 with less than an FX-57, you will see that the 'bars' end up close to those of the 7800 GTX
Some press then commented "Performance is close - too close to declare a winner"
However, publications like HEXUS used top of the range kit and - at the high resolutions demanded by serious gamers - the delta between the cards opens right up
In the 'reasonable price' category - you might want to consider a 4000+
However, for pure gaming, the FX series seems to stand alone
I am sure that you will get more advice, but - if you are serious about next generation gaming - I'd suggest that you need to think about setting your 'minimum requirement' to :-
* 4000+
* 1GB memory
* X1800
* CrossFire mainboard
Obviously if you choose the 'green route' - the read X1800 as 7800 and CrossFire as SLi
One last point, I have been speaking with a lot of press recently and they have told me that some of the new games coming through (FEAR, COD2 etc) actually run faster with 2GB system memory
I have not tried this myself - so I cannot confirm it in detail - but if there are benefits from the second GB of memory - then maybe you need to consider how you populate your main board so that you can upgrade RAM in the future
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I kept 6 trusted serving men, they taught me all I knew.
There names were what and where and why and how and when and who.
(I also had the HEXUS forums on speed dial just in case)
Id love to know how many people can actually afford fx-57 plus money for gpus etc
Plenty, but very few people who earn that money have time to play computer games
Plenty, but very few people who earn that money have time to play computer games
Me want Ultrabook
Value for money for me is a card that keeps up with the best, for less. At the momenty this means that the 7800GTX and 7800GT are those exact cards.
As for the Toy Shop demo: I'm sure its awesome: but then nvidia's demo's look awesome on the hardware they were designed for too. Tit for tat.
My point is that for a card to be released so late after a competition card: it should perform awesomly better and look amazingly superior to the competition's top end card. While the x1800 looks very nice: I don't think it achieves these directives from what I've seen. My judgement, however: is reserved and I will await more reviews and writeups with anticipation
Plenty, but very few people who earn that money have time to play computer games
exactly so y do you aim your new cards away from its target market? its crazy. If the only way you can get better than 7800 performance is too spend around £700 just on a cpu then sorry but ATI are waaaaaaaaay out of touch with what the real world is playing with !!! I can build a new very capable machine for that much! New technology is always going to be expenisve no problems there but theres only so much cash people have in the real world. Bang for buck is what its all about at the minute the x18xx series dont offer that.
Yeah, shame on me for saying that something that's good (did people miss the awesome performance, unmatched IQ ability, dual dual-link DVI, decent cooler, Avivo etc or something?) is actually goodI do actually agree about the Hexus thing: far too enthusiastic when the x1800xt is far more expensive than even nvidia's top spec (currently) card. Its a bit one-sided afaics. Not that I'm dissing the Hexus staff: but what did ya get(j/k guys
Far more expensive really doesn't factor into it, since launch prices for brand new hardware are always a bit nuts. Have a rethink in a month or so's time.
It's really great hardware (like G70 I should add!), so remind me not to say so next time
MOLLY AND POPPY!
The X1800xt isn't 'due' till november so it's unlikely prices will fall anywhere near that time, so i don't expect to see prices fall untill the end of nov beginning of dec at the earliest. In fact i would say prices are likely to go up slightly until then due to the scarcity and desirability (they are very good cards BTW, better than the 7800gtx if they're price similarly IMO)
I know alot of people stating that the prices for the X1800xl/xt are high due to the fact that they have just been released, and that they should fall in line to the equivilent 7800 price level over time, but thats just the problem though, how long will it actually take?
With the 7800 being available for over 4 months now and that the next gen replacements being primed for a possible 'rumored' feb/march release (which would make the 7800 series 6/7 months old, and the X1800 series only 3/4 months old) what are ATI to do? Release their next-gen card (R580) to match the 'G80' and risk uproar from the X1800 crowd or artifically 'delay' the release and risk the wrath of their shareholders???
Ati's already announced that the R580 core is taped out and ready, what will they do i wonder?
You've got to remember that no matter what, you cannot deny that Nvidia has got a 4 month head start in this, and if they can release their next gen core on schedule ATI will have ANOTHER bad PR ride again whichever road they choose....
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So the part where I was messing wid ya didn't quite register? Like I said I will reserve my judgement until people actually have some retail boxes in their hands, but that is seeming to be a pretty hard thing to do at the moment with ATI's paper launch.Yeah, shame on me for saying that something that's good (did people miss the awesome performance, unmatched IQ ability, dual dual-link DVI, decent cooler, Avivo etc or something?) is actually good
Far more expensive really doesn't factor into it, since launch prices for brand new hardware are always a bit nuts. Have a rethink in a month or so's time.
It's really great hardware (like G70 I should add!), so remind me not to say so next time
It's very true - I have a small LCD screen showing memory in-game and basically the following is true:
Quake4/Doom 3 - don't need 2 gig really.
Half Life 2/FEAR - eat memory for breakfast (the former shocked me by using circa 300-400meg MORE than Quake 4 in-level and is much much smoother because of it).
I've not tried FEAR or QUAKE 4 on 1 gig for reference.
Crosshair VIII Hero (WIFI), 3900x, 32GB DDR4, Many SSDs, EVGA FTW3 3090, Ethoo 719
You will be able to play FEAR on 1GB of memory, but you'll have to turn texture details to medium for the game to feel a little smoother throughout.. Or else you'll get really rubbish 'crash-like' slowdown in the middle of the game as the HDD tries to access the VM to load the remaining part of a map..
Having 2GB or more allows u to carry stuff to the MAX texture details.. or at least a totally lagless medium texture setting.. mind u.. having 1gb still lags abit in medium texture.. just not as terrible as having it at max..
Me want Ultrabook
HL2 2gig-ing meant no more 'stutters' and pauses with the sound system (used to get a pause before firing a gun for the first time after level load). Much smoother experience.
Crosshair VIII Hero (WIFI), 3900x, 32GB DDR4, Many SSDs, EVGA FTW3 3090, Ethoo 719
You know the max current mobos can take is 4Gig? well are there any 2Gig modules on the market to have that in dual channel? plus how expensive would that be!
then.... in 64bit its a max of 32Gig ram (am i right?)
how the hell are we going to afford the ram let alone the £400+ gpu and the £700 cpu!
im about to faint...
I don't know if there are other "hidden slowdown" that is non measurable in FPS... but according to Firingsquad's test, for F.E.A.R, its all about GFX card, GFX card, and more GFX card (assuming the remaining rig is not too out of date I suppose).
1GB vs 2GB RAM: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ance/page6.asp
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