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k then u think what u want to, stick with your cassette tape and i'll stick with me mp3 player
No, I'll stick with my DVDs thanks, and I'll save a lot of money in the process, we've already seen than 9Gb of space is more than enough to make fantastic games, games aren't suddenly going to surge to 25Gb sizes, and even if they do, it will make **** all difference whether that comes on 3 DVDs or 1 BD disk. Enjoy Resistance while I enjoy some quality games.Originally Posted by gtech
BD or HD-DVD is just natural progression to higher res and better quality for movies. It is definitely noticeable when you have a good quality TV with hi-def.
As for games, if these technologies are out there and they are already bundles into consoles (PS3 + BD), you might as well use that to put all the stuff into one disc rather than 3. Nothing pisses me off more than having to swap discs in the middle of a movie or a game.
As for prices, these were the prices DVDs were introduced at. At that point, you would have been saying Ill stick to my video tapes and save some money. Once the market penetration is sufficient, the prices will begin to drop.
Consoles bundling the formats will help with market penetration. Gamers who have the ability to play hi-def movies are likely to buy a couple atleast to check it out if nothing else. And if they like what they see, they will continue to buy it.
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Oh man, you're back with you silly ends to arguments. Look put it this way. DVD is everywhere and is somewhere near market saturation with most households owning at least one. Blu-Ray has a considerable way to go to make up that ground, and in the meantime the Blu-Ray Player will be enhanced upgraded and as profile 1.1 is already talked about this has happened. There will therefore be PS3s with old Blu-Ray Players that miss out on features on films and games due to old hardware.
Secondly nearly every video game creator has said that creating extra content is too expensive and lengthy in development for little benefit, so in fact they are making less content for games, look at Nintendo and Valve (who are doing episodic content).
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Yep, tis true, not many companies can produce games that will be big enough to fill a BR disk, and we've already got massive games that can still fit onto one DVD.
Comparing VHS->DVD and DVD->BR is also completely irrelevant, there is a massive technology gap between VHS and DVD. I see your point about having to swap disks in the middle of a film, that is annoying, but in a game? The only games where you have to do this are very long RPGs, where you would have to swap the disk once every 50 hours of gameplay, are you telling me that you're that lazy? Why not just demand Sony puts every game on one disk so you don't have to even bother getting up?
As for what George was saying, he's completely correct, back when the PS2 had a DVD drive put in it, the DVD was taking over the VHS as the media format of choice. The PS2 was my families first DVD player, but thats only because we were cheap bastards, if I were my current age back when the PS2 was released I'm pretty sure I'd have my own DVD player by then. Blu-ray, however, is a format thats still in it's infancy, and unlike DVD, it has a competitor that could become the dominant format, and given Sony's track record with media formats, I wouldn't put my money on it winning, Sony put a BR player in the PS3 for the sole reason of pushing their format onto their PS3 customers in an attempt for BR to become the dominant media. There is no other reason for it, them saying BR will make their games better than anyone else's is just spin by their PR department to try and make it look like they're not exploiting their customers.
lol your telling me stuff thats nothing to do with what i'm on about, dvd's are fine...for now is what i said i'm a pc gamer mainly so i know that dvd's are the best just by looking at what crytek and splash damage can do and place onto dvd, so your moaning to the wrong person, i purely said that (PS3 SUBJECT HERE) wait until they can take advantage of the blu-ray disk then your be seeing some fantastic games ( i know there already are fantastic games on dvd- nothing to do with this).
It is the consumer that suffers in times like this. I have noticed a few key releases lately on Blu Ray (Casino Royale springs to mind). However the company releasing that one wont be releasing it on HD DVD. So what will end up happening is consumers having to purchase both format players just to get the latest movies in High Def.
Hopefully a player will be released like mentioned that will play both formats. I remember reading about one a few months back now. With a bit of luck it will see the light of day.
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Ok, let's clear up a few techno-myths (like Urban myths except they exists purely online).
Myth 1) BD gives increased capacity for games so they'll be better.
Nope, it ain't gonna happen.
Very, very few developers are doing anything exclusive to any platform (and therefore any disk format) because they just can't afford to limit the potential sales. This isn't conjecture from me, this is fact borne out by titles such as GTA, Assassin's Creed and the like all moving out onto other platforms.
Development costs pretty much dictate that any extra coding for a title will not go into giving hours of extra play or loads more CGI or FMV... They'll code for the lowest capacity and then spend the time optimizing for other platforms.
So a BD disk alone most certainly does not guarantee a better game or even a game with more content.
Myth 2) People don't buy the PS3 to use it as a BD player.
Yes, they do. When the PS3 hit the market it was by far the cheapest way to own a BD player and it's still a competitive option now. Sure, you can by a pure BD player for slightly less money but the price of the PS3 will drop and retailers will most certainly be doing very attractive bundle deals keeping the PS3 in the market as a viable competitor to BD players.
If you're a casual gamer with audiophile tendencies, the PS3 offers more than a standalone BD player, again making it an attractive option.
Myth 3) Bigger BD games will be better.
Nope, they won't.
See Myth 1 for a lot of reasons but to add to that, compression and optimization of code onto a disk has long since ceased being a problem. The real limitation is the processing hardware which again has been eradicated with the addition of HDDs to both the Xbox 360 and PS3.
These pretty much negate any issues of compressed data on a disk as they cache the unpacked code onto the HDD.
So the only real barrier is how much time a developer has to spend with his level designers, artists and coders actually writing more content... and as I said in Myth 1, they're not going to do it.
Why waste time coding purely for the sake of filling out a disk? It won't be to add extra features, a plethora of extra levels or loads more CGI as this all costs money. If what they have on one platform is good enough (in their eyes) to publish, they're not going to waste anymore time throwing in 20 extra levels and 5 extra hours of FMV.
You will see slight differences, such as Dark Messiah: Elements' extra 4 levels and simplified inventory system for the Xbox 360, but multi format titles with a simultaneous release will be exactly the same on each format.
And finally, having just come back from UbiDays, the unofficial word from the devs is that they're all supporting PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 if they feel the game is a viable cross platform title... so worrying over whether BD, HD DVD or even DVD are the way to go is pointless... they're all here for a good while yet.
i do agree with most of that but if the ps3 is given a 10 year life then 10 years down the line if they utilise the blu-ray properly then it could go like the cd vs dvd senario, q3 500mb fitted lovely on cd q4 needs more than 3 so its on dvd....surely in the future they could use (wether its blu-ray or different format) a larger capacity disk to there advantage. but its only gonna work on ps3 exclusive titles and if sony do extremly welll with ps3 i think there be brave enough to do that.
From me? No. I'm just saying that I could see there being no clear winner in the HD-DVD - BR wars, with VHS vs betamax there was only going to be one winner, since there wasn't really a cheap and affordable way of making a dual player. Now there is, so if consumers buy these, they can buy any format they like.is that a
I also really doubt the PS3 has a 10 year life span, nothing in technology does, it was obsolete as soon as it came out, the graphics chip inside the PS3 is about the same power as the one inside my PC that I bought over a year ago, they have the nice cell processors, but they are also lacking a bit in memory.
The PS3 is not "futureproofed", no matter what Sony say, they said exactly the same thing about the PS2, was it futureproofed? Hell no. Also, given the build quality of the PS2, I don't expect a single PS3 to last 3 years let alone 10.
We've also got quote from some Sony execs about plans for a PS4 that could be here in about 5 years.
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The thing about large capacity is what are you going to fill it with?
And who is going to code it?
Or, if you want to slap on loads of CGI or FMV, who is going to code or film it, then edit it etc?
Films work on a ratio of 7:1 (that's 7 minutes shot and 1 minute actually being used) if they're being hyper-hyper-efficient. A norm might 15 or even 30:1... that's massively expensive and so not commercially viable, just for the sake of using extra storage space.
Larger game code is even worse. Most games are in development for an average of three years, often more if you count in concept time and tool building.
Sure, once you have your DK built it's a matter of level design, art work, balancing, gameplay testing and debugging... but these are horrifically long processes and even a publishing behemoth like EA does not have the resources to fund a dev team to spend 4 years creating levels just to fill a BD disk.
Until we have a major jump in technology to fully immersive, holographic sensoramic worlds that require masses of data every second, BD storage capacity is going to be used mainly in the writeable back-up sector of the tech market.
Yeah, a company would much rather make the additional content and make you pay for it as download content than add it as a freebie for the PS3 version.
Although I wouldn't say most games are in development for three years, but I'd say most games worth buying are, EA seems to churn out sports games and film license titles in a matter of months.
We also have a few new technologies around that make compression even better, many of the xbox live arcade titles use this new (well, was new) texture compression method to get the download sizes down. I don't think it's technically compression, but I forgot how it all works.
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