News - Danamics LM10 CPU cooler hits retail, costs almost as much as a Core i7 CPU

[FrozenFX-60]

Where oh where to begin. I'll do this in order of response.

@ Bisquit:

I dont really think you have proved a great deal here to be quite honest. You're argument began with a vague statement and has ended in a solution which entirely unpractical for 99% of people

First, I never had an "argument". I did, however, have an opening "comment" that was a response to Webby's question regarding 0c temps, following up on Moogle's lead. The argument you speak of was commenced by Webby's full on attempt's to discredit what I stated, even going so far as to make a statement about an imaginary pocket universe to mock me even more. Compounding the situation even further, Webby goes on to insist nothing is as claimed and makes claims of all sorts of things are wrong, and is assured it is a safe bet there is. As for the "and has ended in a solution..." Solution to what? What is this solution?

Id rather spend £200 on a cooler than have a fat hole in my wall attached to the PC

Go right ahead, spend the $$. Like I stated before (which you probably did not bother to retain), that hole in the wall, and the duct attached to it, were already there when I moved into the place. And, as I also stated before, where I live now, there is no hole in the wall, just a nice slat in the window from using the pelonis parts I ordered for the duct and mounts.

Could you not have just said how you did it in the first place or do you get kicks out of making clearly subject-educated people look like 'fools'?(i put this in quotation marks deliberately as i dont feel foolish in the slightest)

In the first place, I was merely (once again) just making a comment about 0c temps., and gave a piece of proof. I did not ask anyone to retort with "impossible"'s. You, and Webby and aidanjt chose to dis-believe and to take your dis-believe so far as to start the dis-crediting statements. I followed up by explaining the how's and why's and even supplied visual aide. So I already fulfilled your belated request of "how you did it", in my second post of the thread. No one made it a rule that I explain "how I did it" for a comment regarding the 0c for a room temp.
So, really, I think the question should actually be reversed unto yourself. Do you get kicks out of making new members look like 'fools' by trying everything you can to discredit them? I think you have spent waaaaaaay to much time on the internet in forums and blogs, or w/e your life is plagued with.

I am done with you.


Next up: Webby

I take it this is in the winter, but in the summer your back in the same boat as all the other people cooling on air.

Winter/summer/spring/fall.. Doesn't matter what time of year, I am always in the same boat all air coolers. Cooling with air. I am also in the same boat as everyone that is water-cooling. And we all are never going below ambient(intake). The bonus of this during the summer, I only have to flip one fan, then the entire system exhausts to the outside, which helps out a lot on keeping the cooling bill during the summer nice and low, because the pc is not heating up the room. Which, in reality, makes my "boat" just a lil better than anyone else on air.. and water..

If you wanted to show off your temps then you could have started a new thread and posted all about it perhaps posing the question

Well, if I had wanted to do that, then I would have. Once again, I merely made a comment about 0c rooms/temps and supplied a pic supporting it. Both you and biscuit inflated the situation to the saturation point. Making allegations that were unfounded, and more.

You state that buying that cooler was the best $35 you ever spent well hate to break it to you but you could have saved that money with air temps that low stock cooling would have been more than adequate.

Well, I hate to break this to you. I lost $0 in purchasing the heatsink. Even got a rebate on the shipping due to lengthy shipping time. I spend approx. $60 for the Zalman. Final cost on the sunbeam is $25 after rebate. Sold the zalman for $35. Gained $10, and the sunbeam keeps the cpu at 100% 12C cooler than the zalman. And an amd skt-939 stock cooler can not even compare to the performance of heatpipes, no matter how cold the air you pipe in from the oustide.

I also reckon I win the bet, your PC is obviously in a freezer, a natural one by all means but a freezer all the same!

Negative My pc sits right next to me on my computer desk. Always has, always will. It just breathes in an unconventional way.

[GoNz0]

someone in marketing is going to get there p45 for xmas releasing that joke.

face it if you like your pc that much you can use a none conductive water cooling setup for less than that. and cool the GPU in the mix !

[aidanjt]

When it is 10C outside, and your cpu socket sensor read 11C, and your idle core (in this case core #2) reads 10c, then that pretty much assures that all things are monitoring properly.. MB, software, CPU diodes...

False, this would violate the Zeroth law and thermal resistance. Your sensors would still skewed, albeit, by a trivial margin.

[Biscuit]

Bisquit:

I Admire your maturity, great way to start a post

First, I never had an "argument". I did, however, have an opening "comment" that was a response to Webby's question regarding 0c temps, following up on Moogle's lead.

Im glad you put your "comment" in quotation marks as it disagree's with Webbys statement/rhetorical question therefore it is an argument...

As for the "and has ended in a solution..." Solution to what? What is this solution?

The solution to receiving minus 0 temps without your room being that cold...? You made a statement which appears to ludicrous to the untrained eye + then presented us with your solution. (Also relating to the first point) Maybes i picked the wrong word(s) but i dont really see how language skills have anything to do with this discussion so you can drop the technicalities.

Go right ahead, spend the $$. Like I stated before (which you probably did not bother to retain), that hole in the wall, and the duct attached to it, were already there when I moved into the place. And, as I also stated before, where I live now, there is no hole in the wall, just a nice slat in the window from using the pelonis parts I ordered for the duct and mounts.

I did read what you said but it doesnt make your comment any more phesable for the 99% of other people around the world who dont have to have holes in their walls and dont fancy mauling the side of their house or their window.

In the first place, I was merely (once again) just making a comment about 0c temps., and gave a piece of proof. I did not ask anyone to retort with "impossible"'s. You, and Webby and aidanjt chose to dis-believe and to take your dis-believe so far as to start the dis-crediting statements. I followed up by explaining the how's and why's and even supplied visual aide. So I already fulfilled your belated request of "how you did it", in my second post of the thread. No one made it a rule that I explain "how I did it" for a comment regarding the 0c for a room temp.

What you did is start with a statement than was initially completely unbacked with evidence, which i personally think had the clear expectation for us to reply with debunking statements as we did. I cant see any reason for you not to include the information first time round other than this or pure laziness however your discussion since then has been so articulate im guessing we can safely rule out the lazy part.

So, really, I think the question should actually be reversed unto yourself. Do you get kicks out of making new members look like 'fools' by trying everything you can to discredit them? I think you have spent waaaaaaay to much time on the internet in forums and blogs, or w/e your life is plagued with.

Not at all i welcome new comers! However new comers often tend to make their introduction in a much less arrogant way. In fact, if you had presented your ideas/solutions/inventions (or whatever the hell words im allowed to use without being subject to grammar scrutinization) in more sensible way i would be quite intrigued as to how it works and probably offered you congratulations but seeing as this is not the case i have no interest in discussing it with you any further.
Yes i do spend a lot of time on forums and such, which is why you can drop the know-it-all smart arse act because iv seen it all before and its never received in a particularly warm way.

- I am done with you.

[Hicks12]

Sorry but it is a freezer, freezers work on a convection current and your pc is just like that. How does it work then? If you have one connection to outside then where do you get the intake from? is the pipe the intake? if so where does the hot air go? in the room?. Im guessing your in america since you keep mentioning dollars in price, but since it was only -12.6C then im still confused how you got a similar temp from a hot cpu(amd's are not cool, seriously) so surely there would be atleast a good few degrees difference.

Im sorry but i dont see how your going to get them temps from just having a pipe outside, its not a traditional cooling and so its not better than a "CPU" cooler or water cooling/phase cooling because its not cooling the cpu directly.

Take a photo of the pc now and i think we could believe you but since you said thats a few years old pic it cant be taken with much legitimacy.

[Webby]

Hicks, (not sure why i'm defending/explaining for him but anyway...) the case is as I understand it hooked up to 2 vents an intake and outlet connected to a window vent it uses fans to pull cold air in from outside and then exhausts the warmed air back outside again.

FrozenFx-60, my freezer argument is based on the fact that the inside of the case is connected directly to the outside, effectively the inside of the case is outside (in the freezer) with the walls of the case protecting you from the elements.

Anyway this is the end of the whole discussion I will not reply on the matter again in this thread which is for discussing the LM10 and this whole cold air thing has taken us well off track. Feel free to start another thread in the appropriate section of the forums if you wish to discuss this any further.

Edit: Oh one last point (can't resist)

Well, I hate to break this to you. I lost $0 in purchasing the heatsink. Even got a rebate on the shipping due to lengthy shipping time. I spend approx. $60 for the Zalman. Final cost on the sunbeam is $25 after rebate. Sold the zalman for $35. Gained $10, and the sunbeam keeps the cpu at 100% 12C cooler than the zalman. And an amd skt-939 stock cooler can not even compare to the performance of heatpipes, no matter how cold the air you pipe in from the oustide.

Do you know how heatpipes work? I will explain, in the most basic form a heatpipe uses a volatile liquid when this gets hot it evaporates and the vapour travels through the pipe where it is cooled and condenses the liquid then travels back to the start to be re-boiled. Now for the flaw in your heatpipes better than stock argument, if the liquid in the heatpipes is kept cooler than its boiling point then the heat transfer from the base to the fins only occurs through the heat travelling up the heatpipe walls before being dissipated by the fins. The heatpipes are effectively a bottleneck under these conditions compared to a solid piece of metal which would be able to transfer significantly higher heat loads. And since the heatpipes in CPU coolers are designed to run at normal operating conditions for CPU's (read temps grater than 0°C) the liquid inside is chosen to have its boiling point higher than this (most likely ~35-40°C) so your heatpipes are doing nothing and the stock cooler would probably be doing the job as well.

Final point you spend $85 on coolers and got $35 back by selling one of them that is still a total cost to you of $50... so how did you make $10.

[Hicks12]

Thanks for the explanation their webby, does make sense but that still proves the point of it being a freezer so hes just lost the argument. Am i right in thinking the operating temps of most hardware is like 0+ C?

[FrozenFX-60]

Webby, I bought 4 zalman's for a total of $60. that is $15 a piece. Sold three right away for $20 each. That puts me at +/- $0. bought sunbeam for $35. $10 rebate, now at -$25, sold the last zalman for $35. That puts me at +$10.

Also, heat-pipes are fully functional at a range of -40c to +150c, so even at these low temps, heatpipes work far better than a solid piece of aluminum from the stock coolers.

[Webby]

I said I wasn't going to reply but I will.

Your story keeps changing lets take it from the start,

That's with a Zalman 9500 AM2 with ArcticSilver Ceramique. Yes. Just air cooling only.
I just picked up the CoreContact-Freezer from sunbeamtech using the tuniq tx-2 compound that came with it. Best $35 i've spent. fantastic cooling. I expect to get even lower temps with the Sunbeam HS.

So the new cooler cost you $35.

Well, I hate to break this to you. I lost $0 in purchasing the heatsink. Even got a rebate on the shipping due to lengthy shipping time. I spend approx. $60 for the Zalman. Final cost on the sunbeam is $25 after rebate. Sold the zalman for $35. Gained $10, and the sunbeam keeps the cpu at 100% 12C cooler than the zalman. And an amd skt-939 stock cooler can not even compare to the performance of heatpipes, no matter how cold the air you pipe in from the oustide.

Now the cooler cost you $25, and you state that you bought a zalman cooler for $60 and sold it for $35.

After I question your maths we get to,

Webby, I bought 4 zalman's for a total of $60. that is $15 a piece. Sold three right away for $20 each. That puts me at +/- $0. bought sunbeam for $35. $10 rebate, now at -$25, sold the last zalman for $35. That puts me at +$10.

You bought 4 Zalmans for $60 sold 3 of them for $20 each.

First the Zalman cost you $60 and you sold it for $35 now you bought 4 for $60 and sold 3 of them for $20 each. You also said that you spent $35 on the Sunbeam cooler and then it was $25 sorry if I seem a bit sceptical but whenever somebody points out an error in your arguemnts you seem to add another think to help you out...

Finally back to heatpipes,

Also, heat-pipes are fully functional at a range of -40c to +150c, so even at these low temps, heatpipes work far better than a solid piece of aluminum from the stock coolers.

A heatpipe based cooler designed to operate at room temperatures will have heatpipes designed for the cooling liquids to evaporate at temperatures above room temperature if they evaporated at temperatures below that they would not be effective as they would not condense and therefore would not transfer any heat.

If you wish to dispute this please find some concise scientific proof you won't be able to so I wouldn't bother looking to hard.

Right that's it no more on this topic from me.

[NeedMoarFarms]

Yes, you eat some before entering the store and end up buying a half-dozen of these.

But as someone else mentioned, will this magnetic pump affect your hard drive array?
I cant imagine what would happen if it were to somehow break open. Mercury (or whatever it is) all over your everything.

P.S. If if is some form of mercury, couldn't it freeze at low temperatures meaning that one part could be frozen and blocking the flow while the processor is overheating?

You don't see thermometers freezing, do you? Mercury has a freezing point of -37C. When was the last time anything in your room was THAT cold?

didnt realise this thread has 3 pages haha, sorry for quoting that lol.

[Webby]

No go right ahead and quote away good to get the thread back on track

I'm still waiting for a review for it to come out apparently Nordic Hardware have the exclusive review (I guess that means they wil be first to release their results) but nothing up when I last checked.

[moogle]

Anyhooo, ignoring the squabbling here it seems NordicHardware has got one and done a review!

Make your own minds up, I think watercooling is still safe for now

*Still Reading it*

[Biscuit]

nice one moogle

[Biscuit]

not impressed tbh, in no way does it warrent such a price tag. Its a real shame IMO because i was really hoping to see something really groundbraking and special.

Edit - sorry for the double post

[moogle]

nice one moogle

No problems, I've been waiting for some results for a long time too.

Its a real shame IMO because i was really hoping to see something really groundbraking and special.

Steady on! I want it to take a few years so my watercooling doesn't look like a wasted investment

The way you connect the wires up seems a bit fiddly (ironic eh coming from a wc'ing person ), it's just not designed for those high wattage, high overclocks that people would like. Just for even more silent cooling. Is anyone really willing to pay that much just for silence? I'm not

[Main]

So they've managed to match heatpipes for 5 times the price.

Given the properties of their chosen coolant it's being limited by the rate at which it heats up, so the only way they're going to really be able to make this better is to increase the rate at which the coolant is pumped around the loop.