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    Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Game will include a benchmark and is scheduled to launch on 23rd Feb next year.
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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    looks amazing

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Now all we need are some cards that fully support DX12.

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Now all we need are some cards that fully support DX12.
    And to be running Windows 10.

    Was recently reading about some problems with Elite Dangerous on Win 10 if you have an AMD card. Looks like I will continue waiting on Win 7.

    OTOH, Nvidia say they will be shipping Vulkan even on Windows XP, I might be on that first

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    O what issues were they DanceswithUnix, as that applies to me

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    And to be running Windows 10.

    Was recently reading about some problems with Elite Dangerous on Win 10 if you have an AMD card. Looks like I will continue waiting on Win 7.

    OTOH, Nvidia say they will be shipping Vulkan even on Windows XP, I might be on that first
    Yea having to run a particular OS just to get access to DX12 sucks, what I don't get is why Vulkan can support any OS yet DX12 is only available with WDDM 2.0 (W10), seems more like a marketing move than a technical one, if so it seems a really stupid move seeing as Microsoft no longer hold a majority of gaming platforms, at least i don't think they do.

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    carrot and the donkey, why kill the cash cow for windows, i mean who would?

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Yea having to run a particular OS just to get access to DX12 sucks, what I don't get is why Vulkan can support any OS yet DX12 is only available with WDDM 2.0 (W10), seems more like a marketing move than a technical one, if so it seems a really stupid move seeing as Microsoft no longer hold a majority of gaming platforms, at least i don't think they do.
    Why would Microsoft put extra time into making DX12 multi-platform when the only thing that would come of it is less Windows sales?
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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    For the same reasons they made it possible to port "Modern" apps to other platforms, the same reason parts of Office is available on other platforms, Cortana, and all the other programs that aren't Windows exclusives.

    While making DX12 available on other platforms may mean less Windows sales it also means people are less likely to use DX12, exclusives and propitiatory stuff only works in your favor when you have the largest market share, something that I don't think Microsoft has anymore, why use DX12 and limit your audience?

    It's even worse when you consider we're not talking about limiting your audience just the Windows platform, but you're limiting your audience to a single version of that platform, one that's had a very mixed reception, what would it matter if DX12 was available on all versions of Windows? A sale is a sale after all.

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk View Post
    O what issues were they DanceswithUnix, as that applies to me
    the ED bug is fairly specific but sounds annoying:

    If you are running Windows 10, and you have an AMD graphics card, and you have recent drivers, and you log in on a group or open server, and you engage supercruise, and there is someone else in the system, then performance utterly tanks.

    If you generally play alone (which I do) then you would be OK, otherwise the workaround seems to be to downgrade your driver to a 14.x version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Yea having to run a particular OS just to get access to DX12 sucks, what I don't get is why Vulkan can support any OS yet DX12 is only available with WDDM 2.0 (W10), seems more like a marketing move than a technical one, if so it seems a really stupid move seeing as Microsoft no longer hold a majority of gaming platforms, at least i don't think they do.
    Yes it is clearly policy. It has been that way though since XP was left on DX 9.

    I don't think it is much of an issue tbh, DX12 games won't be commonplace for probably a year, by which time there will be enough people on Win 10 to make it worth while.

    It sounds like Valve have their Source games ready to rock on Vulkan, shall look forward to giving that a spin at the end of the year

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    For the same reasons they made it possible to port "Modern" apps to other platforms, the same reason parts of Office is available on other platforms, Cortana, and all the other programs that aren't Windows exclusives.

    While making DX12 available on other platforms may mean less Windows sales it also means people are less likely to use DX12, exclusives and propitiatory stuff only works in your favor when you have the largest market share, something that I don't think Microsoft has anymore, why use DX12 and limit your audience?

    It's even worse when you consider we're not talking about limiting your audience just the Windows platform, but you're limiting your audience to a single version of that platform, one that's had a very mixed reception, what would it matter if DX12 was available on all versions of Windows? A sale is a sale after all.
    For gaming outside of mobile, Microsoft does have the biggest market......especially if you include consoles.

    It's much easier, faster and cheaper to only code it for one OS. Especially when that OS will be your "last" OS and your giving it away free to most of your older customers.
    It's not like they have only done it for the first time, there have always been OS cut-offs on new versions of DirectX. Maybe if Vulkan takes off, Microsoft will cross-platform DirectX but until then, they have zero incentive to do so.
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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Well yes, if we exclude mobile and include consoles then Microsoft probably does have the largest market share, that's why in an earlier post I stipulated ALL gaming platforms.

    I also know it's not the first time they've restricted new version of DirectX to particular versions of an OS, in the past a case could've been made on a technical basis for doing that, but now with Vulkan offering a similar cross-platform API that argument seems to no longer hold water, that's why I said it seems more like a marketing ploy.

    In the long term Microsoft's ethos of restricting technology to only Windows, or worse yet a single version of Windows, for strictly marketing reasons seems to have done more damage than good.
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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Well yes, if we exclude mobile and include consoles then Microsoft probably does have the largest market share, that's why in an earlier post I stipulated ALL gaming platforms.

    I also know it's not the first time they've restricted new version of DirectX to particular versions of an OS, in the past a case could've been made on a technical basis for doing that, but now with Vulkan offering a similar cross-platform API that argument seems to no longer hold water, that's why I said it seems more like a marketing ploy.

    In the long term Microsoft's ethos of restricting technology to only Windows, or worse yet a single version of Windows, for strictly marketing reasons seems to have done more damage than good.
    Pretty sure it is Sony with the biggest share, given that PC games sales are supposed to be weaker than console:



    (from http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/0...onsole-market/)

    And I also think there has never been even a shred of technical basis for restricting DX versions to the latest Windows. I would even go further, in my experience the more platforms you expose code to the better. Something that is a 0.005% chance of crashing on one platform might die every time on a another so stuff comes out of the woodwork faster and you end up with a more stable platform. Is it harder? Well perhaps it is slightly, but if the result is better then that is what you should be doing.

    It doesn't seem like a marketing ploy, it just is

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Sorry if I've not been clear , when I said all gaming platforms I meant PCs, consoles, and mobile, basically anything capable of playing games.

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Sorry if I've not been clear , when I said all gaming platforms I meant PCs, consoles, and mobile, basically anything capable of playing games.
    My bad, I meant to include Shaithis' comment
    For gaming outside of mobile, Microsoft does have the biggest market......especially if you include consoles.
    for that bit.

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    Re: Deux Ex: Mankind Divided will support DirectX 12 from launch

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Pretty sure it is Sony with the biggest share, given that PC games sales are supposed to be weaker than console:
    Statistics! I guess it depends on how you define biggest

    The way I look at it, there are only 25m PS4s....where as over 75m have upgraded to Windows 10 to date....
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