QOTW: How do you feel after the EU referendum?

[peterb]

Much as I enjoy watching the Brexiteers squirming on the hooks if their own petards (I also love mashups)
It's not getting us anywhere is it ? They cannot be swayed because their vote wasn't based on logic. It was mostly on lies, misapprehension and class. The country is measurably poorer, racisism is emboldened, the politicians are eating each other, and the schism in society is enlarged.
Yes. I put this at the feet of Cameron and Johnson. Their Etonian squabbles have ruined this country.

But if the vote had gone the other way, by a similar margin, one might have heard similar claims by the leavers "They only voted to remain because they didn't understand the issues and were scared of change, fuelled by some of the outrageous claims by the reamsin team... Etc etc"

Neither position is true and demeans those on both sides who saw through the hyperbole and rhetoric and made a considered judgement. And don't forget that the turnout was over 75%, far higher than for a general election.

[Phage]

Except that it didn't and Boris and Gove has been exposed as charlatans. The issues were covered by experts in EU Law, by the ONS, by the BoE, by the IMF.
The phrase that people are tired of experts tells you all you need to know.

The idea that neither was true, is patently incorrect. Yes there was hyperbole, yes DC is a horrible person. But the 'experts' so denigrated by the Brexiteers have been proved right so far, and the Leave campaign has no Plan, and no ideas of what to do next whilst the SNP and Sinn fein consider how to break up the country.

The turnout is great, but doesn't reflect the campaign issues.

[Gerrard]

Quite right. I'm hoping for a general election.

I don't think there would be any point; it would drag out the uncertainty and no doubt lead to a hung government. Reason being, if the Tories said they would not respect the outcome, a lot of people would vote UKIP; unlikely enough to get enough for a win but enough to stop anyone else. Labour in its current form have little chance, and no idea where the Lib Dems are...

[cheesemp]

Very unhappy. I've even considered relocating which is something I've never even considered in the past. The EU wasn't perfect but neither is the UK (How people can complain about unelected bureaucrats in the EU when we still have the house of lords I do not know). I'm also 10% poorer...

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

But if the vote had gone the other way, by a similar margin, one might have heard similar claims by the leavers "They only voted to remain because they didn't understand the issues and were scared of change, fuelled by some of the outrageous claims by the reamsin team... Etc etc"

Neither position is true and demeans those on both sides who saw through the hyperbole and rhetoric and made a considered judgement. And don't forget that the turnout was over 75%, far higher than for a general election.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...rendum-7985017

The Ukip leader speaks to the Mirror’s Associate Editor Kevin Maguire and warns that a '52-48 result would be unfinished business'

Now,we have the same people totally changing position.

Except that it didn't and Boris and Gove has been exposed as charlatans. The issues were covered by experts in EU Law, by the ONS, by the BoE, by the IMF.
The phrase that people are tired of experts tells you all you need to know.

The idea that neither was true, is patently incorrect. Yes there was hyperbole, yes DC is a horrible person. But the 'experts' so denigrated by the Brexiteers have been proved right so far, and the Leave campaign has no Plan, and no ideas of what to do next whilst the SNP and Sinn fein consider how to break up the country.

The turnout is great, but doesn't reflect the campaign issues.

Don't worry,people should start making excuses for all the major Leave campaign people quietly moving away from some of the major campaign promises. But,but Project Fear,but,but Project Remain is to blame..

LMAO.

[wazzickle]

Quite right. I'm hoping for a general election.
It's just that there is little pint in arguing the case with committed Brexiteers. They just get angry. Heh I've seen accusations that it's a Zionist plot !

It's also a zionist plot to try to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn, surprisingly.

[wazzickle]

Neither position is true and demeans those on both sides who saw through the hyperbole and rhetoric and made a considered judgement. And don't forget that the turnout was over 75%, far higher than for a general election.

Sigh... Yes, neither position is true, but in the real world, truth is not binary, and it's fairly clear that the leave campaign lied much harder and bigger.

ITT you've already spouted some of the rhetoric from the leave campaign that has been shown to be a lie (e.g. eu commission president not elected), so no, I don't think you have seen through the hyperbole and made a considered judgement.

[peterb]

Sigh... Yes, neither position is true, but in the real world, truth is not binary, and it's fairly clear that the leave campaign lied much harder and bigger.

ITT you've already spouted some of the rhetoric from the leave campaign that has been shown to be a lie (e.g. eu commission president not elected), so no, I don't think you have seen through the hyperbole and made a considered judgement.

Sorry, I must have been away when I was invited to vote for the president of the Commision. Can you remind who the candidates were?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Sorry, I must have been away when I was invited to vote for the president of the Commision. Can you remind who the candidates were?

Well,last time I checked the general electorate did not vote for who the prime minister was,that was done by the party itself who fight among themselves to find a suitable candidate! Likewise we vote for MPs,not for the PM position and if one party has enough votes they will lead the country.

If they did not have enough votes they form a coalition - so did we have a vote on who the Tories should make a coalition with??

So given the fact that we don't have 100% turnouts at general elections,don't have one party winning 100% of that vote and the fact we don't even have proportional representation - that means most of our parties and by extension our prime ministers were not elected by even 50% of the electorate,let alone the general population.

Considering that we even tried to reform the election system to be more democractic - funny how most did not think it was that important enough to be reformed. Showed you all the proponents of democracy could not be bothered even a few years ago!

Plus,also we had John Major and Gordon Brown as unelected prime ministers,and probably another one soon if no general election is called immediately,or the fact that the House of Lords is not elected and also the fact we are a constitutional monarchy not a republic like France.

I am sure there will be calles for us to become a Republic,right??

But,but democracy.

When is the last time we had a referendum on a major purchase like countries such as Switzerland?? They cancelled a fighter order after the public said no. Might have been useful for MRA4 and saving us nearly £4 billion - could have spent it on the NHS instead!

[hexuqito]

You shouldn't leave.It's a big blow for the scientific community.

[peterb]

The potential Prime Minister, the leaders of the various political parties, are know to the electorate before the election. Yes there are occasions when a PM changes before the end of the Parliamentary term, but it is certain that an election will take place with the option of voting them out or to remain.

[wazzickle]

The EU commission and president are chosen in exactly the same manner that our ministers and PM are chosen - the representatives we democratically elect choose, democratically, amongst themselves, who they want to do the job. The fact that you were not aware of what was going on and when is some combination of your fault and that of our media.

[Corky34]

Yes they are, I am not going to argue with that, but what happens when they all get old? the strain on the country is massive, how do we pay for it? more immigration to cover it...

Funnily enough that's the main reason EU migrants contribute more to the economy than non-EU migrants, being closer EU migrants tend to go back home when it comes to retirement, i guess it has something to do with it being closer and being easier to maintain ties to family and friends.

Sorry, I must have been away when I was invited to vote for the president of the Commision. Can you remind who the candidates were?

While you didn't get to elect the president of the Commission you did vote in the 2014 European elections (at least i assume you voted in those) and the party with the most elected members got to choose and propose who they thought best suited for the role, that proposition was then elected via a qualified majority vote from the rest of parliament, next chance we get to change the president of the Commission will be in 2019.

Personally i think that's a much better way than how we choose the president of our equivalent body, I'm guessing most people couldn't name the head of our executive body, it's this guy BTW, and i don't remember being given any say in his appointment.

[wazzickle]

Oh man that's a bad little stint.

He stayed in this position until 2003, when he left the civil service in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry where it emerged that Heywood claimed to have never minuted meetings in the Prime Ministerial offices about David Kelly, a job he was required to do. He emerged to become the managing director of the UK Investment Banking Division at Morgan Stanley where he became embroiled in the Southern Cross Healthcare scandal that almost saw 30,000 elderly people being made homeless.

[Darth Sidious]

****ing marvelous

[outwar6010]

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