Vivo Nex full screen smartphone launched

[DanceswithUnix]

I want a pop-up notch. Everyone loves notch!

(sorry, it's been a long day)

[3dcandy]

Ruined
The Thread
Again!

Yes pop-up mechanisms have been on cameras for ages but you don't tend to have them on you nearly all the time and use them half as much as a phone...
Would be interesting to see how this pans out. I heard Samsung for example have no current plans for a notch during this current design time frame, that includes the Note 9 and S10- SX. Dances just NO to butchering that name...

[Wozza63]

The first phone that ticks my boxes in a long time:

No notch, a headphone jack and good specs inside.

I like the idea of a popup lens, mainly because I've used my front camera about 3 times in 4 years. I'd have liked a slim speaker at the top edge for calls and possibly stereo too.

[3dcandy]

The first phone that ticks my boxes in a long time:

No notch, a headphone jack and good specs inside.

I like the idea of a popup lens, mainly because I've used my front camera about 3 times in 4 years. I'd have liked a slim speaker at the top edge for calls and possibly stereo too.

Galaxy S9 *cough*

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Vivo phones are made for the Asian market so have sketchy 4G LTE band support here. Its the same with companies like Oppo and even Huawei. For instance for the price of the Honor 9 Lite here,you can get this phone which is much better specced:

https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_y9_(2018)-9112.php

Both the Vivo and Oppo phones look more expensive in person than their prices would indicate.

[Ttaskmaster]

I want a pop-up notch. Everyone loves notch!
(sorry, it's been a long day)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW159ljdvus

[peterb]

Easy to get rid of the notch - get rid of the front facing camera and have an add-on periscope attachment that clips over the rear camera so it looks out over the top of the phone. Simples!

Something like this but a 180 degree reversal rather than 90 degrees.

[3dcandy]

Easy to get rid of the notch - get rid of the front facing camera and have an add-on periscope attachment that clips over the rear camera so it looks out over the top of the phone. Simples!

Something like this but a 180 degree reversal rather than 90 degrees.

Yeah that doesn't look fugly at all....

[peterb]

Yeah that doesn't look fugly at all....

Well given the vitriol the notch produces, I'm sure some people would prefer anything to get rid of it!

[3dcandy]

True dat - but again we're back to making a solution that many believe doesn't exist to begin with!
I admire them for trying something different... but I don't believe it's the right solution. Would have been safer and braver to delete the front facing camera all together. These are not a great phone for the UK anyhoo - LTE support is limited compared to other manufacturers and I imagine support would be worse than the others too. The lower priced version has woeful specs as well compared to say Oneplus

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The front facing camera won't be deleted as selfies are still a big deal,and I have seen phones which have dual front facing cameras now,so they can add the fake bokeh. Some phones are even shipping with higher resolution front cameras too.

Regarding the notch,I do wonder how much of a cost it adds to the display,as it seems an unusual shape to fabricate an LCD,ie,surely yields would be lower on such LCDs,unless I am missing something obvious??

[Ttaskmaster]

I have seen phones which have dual front facing cameras now,so they can add the fake bokeh.

Silly word. Sounds more like it refers to those cartoon animal face overlays people use in Selfies, really...

So we have twin front cameras, but no-one is using them to turn the phone into a 3D mirror, or anything? Maybe a front-and-back dashcam app? Blurry bokeh Selfie pictures are more important?

[3dcandy]

Silly word. Sounds more like it refers to those cartoon animal face overlays people use in Selfies, really...

So we have twin front cameras, but no-one is using them to turn the phone into a 3D mirror, or anything? Maybe a front-and-back dashcam app? Blurry bokeh Selfie pictures are more important?

You appear to be missing the point somewhat. You don't like selfies but millions of people do. And I know girls who put on the front camera to do their makeup And other people who use their phones as really expensive dashcams and satnavs

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Silly word. Sounds more like it refers to those cartoon animal face overlays people use in Selfies, really...

So we have twin front cameras, but no-one is using them to turn the phone into a 3D mirror, or anything? Maybe a front-and-back dashcam app? Blurry bokeh Selfie pictures are more important?

I used to just call it out of focus highlights/regions but apparently I needed to call it bokeh(a Japanese term),which apparently was made more popular from the late 1990s by people I never heard off, and seems to have gotten more popular a term in the last decade.

Also,yes apparently fake blurry background pictures are the new thing,as its trying to emulate portrait photos done in the studio to a degree,since the DoF and perspective distortion highlights the subject and also is meant to be more pleasing an effect visually.

However,the big problem is most normal cameras only get that effect at 50MM+ with a wide aperture meaning low DoF,and most smartphone primary cameras are quite wide,ie,24MM~28MM with tiny sensors where you would have higher DoF anyway and the perspective distortion is not ideal. So its fake blur,with not the ideal perspective distortion people ideally want for portraits. I don't understand it TBH,but I have dedicated cameras,so probably I am not the best person to ask.

Luckily some companies have gone the other way - the Huawei P20 PRO,has a 75MM equivalent tele lens(so actually a good focal length for portrait pictures,but with caveats since its a phone),and the Xiaomi Mi A1 has a 50MM equivalent one(its also under £200),which in the case of the latter I found actually useful,as its sometimes nice to able to be able to isolate a subject.

[Wozza63]

The first phone that ticks my boxes in a long time:

No notch, a headphone jack and good specs inside.

I like the idea of a popup lens, mainly because I've used my front camera about 3 times in 4 years. I'd have liked a slim speaker at the top edge for calls and possibly stereo too.

Galaxy S9 *cough*

True, but Samsung. And the price :O.

[Ttaskmaster]

You appear to be missing the point somewhat. You don't like selfies but millions of people do.

I never said that...
I did sayI never saw the point in them, until I got a dog. Maybe you're getting your dogs and Cat-The-Fifths mixed up?

And I know girls who put on the front camera to do their makeup

All the more reason for the 3D, then!