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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    Standard online pornography is legal in most countries, and only 1 country is going to be trying to block access to it. What do you make of their chances?
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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    The money wasted will have been by the companies implementing age-checking systems. The reason it's delayed? Political, nobody wants something controversial happening when there is a leadership change, which will likely trigger an early general election.

    I don't have any particular reason to think the age verifier platforms are inherently evil, or are in-bed with the government for harvesting porn habits. At the end of the day, the tech looks like a simple token based authentication system - a porn site hands you off to their age verifier, who you logon with, and that passes you back to the porn site. The authenticator knows which porn site you visited, but not much more than that. The porn site knows nothing about you, apart from you passed an external authentication check.

    Sounds all great. But when the big porn sites owns the big authenticator (MindGeek) there is the opportunity to correlate some data. Then there is also the risk of hackers doing the same, and the risk of law enforcement requiring information.

    Yoti is also subject to the same risks - it's not about whether they're privately owned, use good encryption, run by the church, whatever, it's about the fact that they have that information and what else it could be used by.

    Remember that data protection laws grew out of WW2 where registers of people in invaded countries were used to round up people the Nazis didn't like. It's not the original use of the data, but it's what can be done with that data by a malicious actor. The Nazi party invading doesn't seem like an immediate threat at the moment, but a data breach is something we hear about all the time. LinkedIn and Adobe are two large technology companies that come to mind who lost their customer data.

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    I think the data issue comes back to something I've been harping on about for years .... unless there's a good reason for me, I see the only way to minimise the risk of my data being abused, or even just lost, is to be very careful who I let get hold of any of it.

    It's impossible, short of unrealistic extreme measures, to keep absolute privacy but it certainly is possible to minimise how much is known, and who knows it.

    The only question is whether we each, as individuals, care enough or even care at all, to go to the trouble of doing the minimising. I do, but that's a personal decision.

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by simonpreston View Post
    But they're adamant the Irish border problem will be solved with 'technology'.

    Clowns, the lot of them.
    You see why they all get senior management positions when they leave politics right?

    No real grasp of the problem or it's solutions - tick.
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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    Agreed, it's utterly unworkable. Consider this: Online child pornography is illegal in virtually* every country in the world. In virtually* every country access to it is blocked as soon as it is discovered. Yet as we see in the news when cases go to court it is still possible to find it if you go looking hard enough. Standard online pornography is legal in most countries, and only 1 country is going to be trying to block access to it. What do you make of their chances?




    *It may even be every, but I haven't the time or inclination to check the laws of every single country!
    While entirely taking your point, I do think child porn isn't a good comparison.

    Firstly (and obviously) they're not trying to bl8ck porn, but to age-restrict access. The 'blocking' bit is really a stick to beat porn sites with if they don't implement acceptable age-verification. The most obvious way to do that is by credit-card identification as you need to be (IIRC) 18+ to get one (* note) but the obvioys problem, I'd guess, is that a high percentage of pornsite users don't want that on their card history.

    And if you remove subscription chsrges, the other major revenue stream for pirn siites will be ad-generated rdferrals etc, and targetting those is going to be hit if usrrs access vua a VPN, especially anonymised, and could therefore be anyone, from anywhere.

    I woulx suspect the "blocking" thing isn't actually intended to bl8ck the sites ax such, but to disrupt their marketing and business plans.


    Also, as I understand it, child moves about. It's FAR less overt, and rather more underground, with access to serious sites communicated by word of mouth among insiders. Or at least. that's what an FBI agent said on a documentary, a couple of years ago. So .... a site gets discoved it vanishes and re-appears somewhere else, with private chat redirecting core users that are (or should be) aware that what theyre doing is highly illegal.

    "Legit" porn sites can't do that .. or not without loads of members/users lising track of them.

    The methods, therefore, used to deter non-AV sites and those used to try to catch child pirn users will be very different.

    It's a bit like trading standards checking that off-licences aren's selling beer or cider to kids, compared with intensive police action against drug dealers and importers.



    * Note = I serm to remember there's nothing technically stopping card issuers giving cards to under-18's but under 18's cannot enter into a legally enforceable debt, so the card could incur unrecoverable debt if the "child" defaulted. Unless an adult is on the contract as a guarantor. But it's sufficiently a minefield that card companies don't want to know.

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    I take your point, but off-licences selling booze to U18s is hardly 100% adhered to either. Either way it won't work.

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    I take your point, but off-licences selling booze to U18s is hardly 100% adhered to either. Either way it won't work.
    Indeed. But adherence to that law, and indeed most laws, is largely a consequence of the level of pain from punishment if caught, and the perceived likelihood of getting caught.

    Any analogy tends only to work up to a point, and in the case of off-licences, the reward to the licensee isn't huge but that tells you the minimum expectation of getting caught.

    I strongly suspect tbat child porn users have another factor too .... a driving compulsion. It's very much getting off the point, but I wonder if they have any more choice than gays do about being gay, heteros do about being hetero, etc.

    And before anyone gets upset if I've used politically incorrect terminology, it's because I have no idea what the politically correct terminology is this week/year. I'm not trying to offend anybody.
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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    And before anyone gets upset if I've used politically incorrect terminology, it's because I have no idea what the politically correct terminology is this week/year. I'm not trying to offend anybody.
    It changes on an hourly basis these days, keep your eyes glued to twitter or perish!
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    It changes on an hourly basis these days, keep your eyes glued to twitter or perish!
    Me? Twitter? Am I supposed to use Akexa to do Google search too?

    You trying to get me to fuse the forum's swear filter into a single, molten blob? Or give me an aneurysm? Or both?

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    If anyone's interested in the technical legal detail for the delay:

    “In April of last year we laid three instruments before the House for approval. One of those instruments, on guidance for age verification arrangements, set out standards that companies need to comply with.

    “This should have been notified to the European Union Commission in line with the technical standards and regulations directive. And it was not.”

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonatron View Post
    If anyone's interested in the technical legal detail for the delay:

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    Yup, spotted that earlier. Funny, that's not the real technical problem that they're going to face.
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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonatron View Post
    “This should have been notified to the European Union Commission in line with the technical standards and regulations directive. And it was not.”
    What are they going to do, throw us out of Europe?

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Yup, spotted that earlier. Funny, that's not the real technical problem that they're going to face.
    What, like "It don't work", you mean?

    Isn't that standard for government IT projects? And mandatory for defense contracts. I mean, heaven forfend that they should actually get value for (our) money.

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    Re: Porn age verification system in UK expected to be delayed again

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    What are they going to do, throw us out of Europe?
    Now that is a strategy I hadn't considered. Dammit, where'd I put Boris' phone number?


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