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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowls View Post
    If they want to get stricter on password sharing then they should offer a wider range of single screen packages or better yet, drop the resolution limitation (an outdated restriction by this point anyway) from the packages so you were purely paying for the amount of screens you needed.
    A UHD stream takes way more bandwidth than an HD stream, and multiple streams take more than one stream. If you just look at it as "How hard are you going to hammer our servers?" the current tiers make a lot of sense, they are just hard to explain to the average customer.

    OFC, four UHD streams vs a single SD stream is a massive jump, but I doubt that extreme is common in a single household. Now, if people share passwords, lots of 4K streams starts looking likely.

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbouk View Post
    If you and the wife want to watch something different at the same time you need the middle tier, (HD / 2 screens), but if you wanted UHD you need the top tier and would be paying for 2 extra screens you'd never use (UHD / 4 screens).
    Is that just TV screens?
    Can I watch something on PC while she's watching downstairs on TV?
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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Is that just TV screens?
    Can I watch something on PC while she's watching downstairs on TV?
    Any screen; TV, PC, mobile.

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowls View Post
    If they want to get stricter on password sharing then they should offer a wider range of single screen packages or better yet, drop the resolution limitation (an outdated restriction by this point anyway) from the packages so you were purely paying for the amount of screens you needed.
    A UHD stream takes way more bandwidth than an HD stream, and multiple streams take more than one stream. If you just look at it as "How hard are you going to hammer our servers?" the current tiers make a lot of sense, they are just hard to explain to the average customer.

    OFC, four UHD streams vs a single SD stream is a massive jump, but I doubt that extreme is common in a single household. Now, if people share passwords, lots of 4K streams starts looking likely.
    While a UHD stream obviously takes more bandwidth, by this point it should maybe be them seeing SD or HD streams as saving them bandwidth on a stream if anything, but beyond that point, the more crucial one is that their rivals like Prime Video and Disney+ do not charge extra for 4k and neither should Netflix.

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Considering how many streaming services there are vying for people's money right now, this was not a surprising move. Netflix I suppose have lost market share, especially to services like Disney+. Didn't they also increase their prices recently as well? Disney+ for me has become attractive, since they added Star to their library... now there's adult shows I can watch... and still have it for the kids. I'm currently on a trial, but might keep it at least for now.

    I haven't read the article yet btw...


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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    If they enforce it we won't re-subscribe. Currently way down our personal list of streaming services (5th or 6th most watched) with Disney+ top followed by ITV Hub lol
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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Let's see how long HBO takes to get to our shores

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    It appears Netflix are intent on destroying themselves. Granted Disney did them dirty, they also have more competition now, than a few years ago, but the decisions they been making are terrible.

    Their new business strategy seems to be "we can't genuinely compete, so we'll increase prices for remaining / loyal customers, in order to compensate for lost subscribers ".

    I wonder how long this strategy will last, they've already lost a lot of appeal.

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoyoyo69 View Post
    It appears Netflix are intent on destroying themselves. Granted Disney did them dirty, they also have more competition now, than a few years ago, but the decisions they been making are terrible.

    Their new business strategy seems to be "we can't genuinely compete, so we'll increase prices for remaining / loyal customers, in order to compensate for lost subscribers ".

    I wonder how long this strategy will last, they've already lost a lot of appeal.
    They are also a few years further down the line in experience and business problems. Disney+ for instance crashed when the last episode of Wandavision came out.... (crap series as well). It's like everything else - becomes good, becomes ok, gets expensive, loses appeal
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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Have you all noticed that although Netflix have loads of shows on there they nearly all get cancelled even if there successful it seems they set a budget per series and if the show does well the cost of keeping the series going and the stars wages start to go up they just cancel not even allowing the writers to finish the story on the last series

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    i don't see why people are concerned if they are letting people share their account or sharing others with permission, as presumably you will click verify, get the email/txt sent to the account holder and you just ask them for it or pass it on, depending on which side you are on, then you are verified and presumably things will continue as normal, at least for a while. it'll stop people who are sharing accounts without permission by guessing/hacking passwords, and reduce the shared accounts sold on ebay

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Nest View Post
    Have you all noticed that although Netflix have loads of shows on there they nearly all get cancelled even if there successful it seems they set a budget per series and if the show does well the cost of keeping the series going and the stars wages start to go up they just cancel not even allowing the writers to finish the story on the last series
    Happens across the board with tv shows.... our tv consumption is changing rapidly
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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    i don't see why people are concerned if they are letting people share their account or sharing others with permission, as presumably you will click verify, get the email/txt sent to the account holder and you just ask them for it or pass it on, depending on which side you are on, then you are verified and presumably things will continue as normal, at least for a while. it'll stop people who are sharing accounts without permission by guessing/hacking passwords, and reduce the shared accounts sold on ebay
    That's not what the article says, Netflix is saying you have to live in the same house. This includes sharing with other family members who live elsewhere!:
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    "If you don't live with the owner of this account, you need your own account to keep watching."
    And it's not hard for them to stop others from using it, by locking it to one IP address etc...
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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Nest View Post
    Have you all noticed that although Netflix have loads of shows on there they nearly all get cancelled even if there successful it seems they set a budget per series and if the show does well the cost of keeping the series going and the stars wages start to go up they just cancel not even allowing the writers to finish the story on the last series
    Supposedly they cut shows if people stop watching part way through a series. Binge watching stats must give them a *really* good idea on how popular something is.

    Some, like Jessica Jones, got canned because Marvel pulled the rights.

    Netflix seem to have a pretty good reputation for giving shows a good go. Compare that to eg the cancellation of FireFly half way through the first season on conventional TV. I haven't heard of Netflix doing that, instead they tend to sign up for two series from the word go so the first series can have better sets etc from the certainty of their being a series 2.

    I'm a long term Netflix user, and have liked some of the content they are putting out so have been OK with the price increases so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scryder View Post
    And it's not hard for them to stop others from using it, by locking it to one IP address etc...
    I suspect IP address will be just one ingredient, but we have used Netflix on a rainy day on holiday (hdmi cable from my laptop or tablet into the hotel TV) and my son has used it on mobile, both legit uses.

    But then they can probably look at what is being watched, and say "either his tastes have really changed, or that's not him watching", or "He never watches on Wednesday night". That's the thing with modern deep learning systems, they might come up with patterns that we would never think of and Netflix must have a ton of inputs they can feed it.
    Last edited by DanceswithUnix; 13-03-2021 at 01:43 PM.

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Scryder View Post
    Side-bar: I'm still amused that Ubisoft think their service is worth £12.99 a month. Having got Anno 1800 recently, seeing that in the launcher always amuses me! Seems some of these services have an over-inflated value of themselves.
    I am currently subscribed to Ubisoft+. I don't like them as a company but I wanted to play the games.

    Subscribed since end of October 2020 and for my monthly price I've played 180+ hours of AC Valhalla, 80+ hours of WD Legion and 90+ hours of Immortals: Fenyx Rising. I've had access to the "gold" versions of these titles and although for some the DLC hasn't really come through much, to me it still compares favourably to buying the titles outright.

    AC: V and WED would have cost me at least £60 a pop, and Immortals £50. So far I've paid £65 to them and enjoyed 3 games very fully. I can stop the sub if I stop playing and I'll keep all save progress if I decide to restart subscription or purchase any of the games later down the line e.g. on a deep sale or offer.

    I think that's a good value for the amount of entertainment I've gotten out of it. Would it be value to other people is a question whose answer depends entirely on what games they like to play and whether Ubisoft has anything on that front. If not, then no way, if yes, then possibly. The issue is like with any of these services, they're all a fraction of what is available out there are there are too many of them. The market is so fragmented it's ridiculous. I suppose at least with games there are fewer massive publishers but there are still quite a few. It can still be a good value if you have time to play a game. You can play it for a month, probably completing it and only have paid £13 which I think is good value compared to plonking £60 on a download that you cannot then resell anyway and might not ever return to after the initial play on it.

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    Re: Netflix ponders password sharing crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbouk View Post
    Real shame their stream quality and number of streams is linked - they're encouraging sharing by tiering it that way. Want HD? You now have an extra screen you'll never use. Want 4k, you now have 3. We don't all have a partner and 2.4 children...
    We have two children and a dog. Does that count as 0.4? (It's a small dog, so probably only 0.1.)

    As for the tiers, I hope that Netflix doesn't change them, because when the obvious way to go would be to reduce the number of users and then provide a more expensive tier with more users, not to provide a cheaper tier for fewer users. Far as I remember they already tried to introduce a single user HD tier.

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