Apple iMac and iPad Pro updated with M1 CPUs

[kompukare]

These are basics of PCB and industrial design and should never make it to market except in cheap knock-off products. They are designed to fail (or they are monumentally incompetent), the 3rd part repair market is purposefully neutered until they can get donor parts / they can't even access diagnostic software and you have no choice but to take it to a genius who will plug it into a machine that says "replace logic board" whilst playing a little "CHEEERRR CHING!" noise.

All the other planned obsolescence tricks I was aware of, but kind of surprised by this as Apple used to good industrial design.
I guess two decades of aesthetics are the most important criteria have taken their toll.

[selfishtoaster]

So the premium over the same MacMini is the whooping 750£.

Knowing that hardware costs Apple even less then with Intel, we can say Apple attained new (very very high) level of greediness.

What planet are you on? £750 for a really good panel plus speakers and microphones is good value for money. Show me another AiO that achieves all which this does for that price point and doesn't look cheap?
I wish people on this site would just admit that they wouldn't buy an apple product because it's apple. They could release an infinitely upgradable, super repairable product for £1 and you'd still find fault with it...

[3dcandy]

So the premium over the same MacMini is the whooping 750£.

Knowing that hardware costs Apple even less then with Intel, we can say Apple attained new (very very high) level of greediness.

What planet are you on? £750 for a really good panel plus speakers and microphones is good value for money. Show me another AiO that achieves all which this does for that price point and doesn't look cheap?
I wish people on this site would just admit that they wouldn't buy an apple product because it's apple. They could release an infinitely upgradable, super repairable product for £1 and you'd still find fault with it...

HP, Asus, Lenovo. Can upgrade them as well. Try again...

PS Design is subjective

[kompukare]

I wish people on this site would just admit that they wouldn't buy an apple product because it's apple. They could release an infinitely upgradable, super repairable product for £1 and you'd still find fault with it...

Interesting argument.
This is an enthusiast site, so people do actually like building and upgrading things.
Apple are mostly of no interested to enthusiasts... Except that they set industry trends which other manufacturers copy. All other manufacturers would love to include some planned obsolescence and Apple's success allows them to.

[DanceswithUnix]

What planet are you on? £750 for a really good panel plus speakers and microphones is good value for money. Show me another AiO that achieves all which this does for that price point and doesn't look cheap?
I wish people on this site would just admit that they wouldn't buy an apple product because it's apple. They could release an infinitely upgradable, super repairable product for £1 and you'd still find fault with it...

I think the point is that they won't produce something that is upgradable, or repairable, or £1.

In the meantime, my son's HP Envy 2 in 1 looks quite smart enough, and I can upgrade the ram and NVMe storage.

[3dcandy]

I think the point is that they won't produce something that is upgradable, or repairable, or £1.

In the meantime, my son's HP Envy 2 in 1 looks quite smart enough, and I can upgrade the ram and NVMe storage.

This. Just this. And who in their right mind buys a bottom end Apple product? It's not £750, for anything decent and to last a while it's more like £1300

[[GSV]Trig]

What planet are you on? £750 for a really good panel plus speakers and microphones is good value for money. Show me another AiO that achieves all which this does for that price point and doesn't look cheap?
I wish people on this site would just admit that they wouldn't buy an apple product because it's apple. They could release an infinitely upgradable, super repairable product for £1 and you'd still find fault with it...

erm, lol

Tinted glasses anyone?
I have an iPhone 12 my last 2 phones before that were iphones, before that I had a Lumia 920, before that, many Android phones..
I also have an iPad, I'm on my 4th..
Apple has their place, not in my day to day work, either in Pro, Book, or anything else MacOS wise, they just arent right for what I do, but as phones and tablets go out of work, I'm more than happy with them, as are the rest of the household..

There are many AIO machines that we have at work, Lenovo and HP, both do the job and I've just done a round of updates, adding RAM and SSD's, would have cost more to do the same for a Mac based AIO..

[selfishtoaster]

So the premium over the same MacMini is the whooping 750£.

Knowing that hardware costs Apple even less then with Intel, we can say Apple attained new (very very high) level of greediness.

What planet are you on? £750 for a really good panel plus speakers and microphones is good value for money. Show me another AiO that achieves all which this does for that price point and doesn't look cheap?
I wish people on this site would just admit that they wouldn't buy an apple product because it's apple. They could release an infinitely upgradable, super repairable product for £1 and you'd still find fault with it...

HP, Asus, Lenovo. Can upgrade them as well. Try again...

PS Design is subjective

Don't be lazy; say which models else your argument is nothing.
1/10 comeback. Try harder.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The iMac starts at £1250...its £750 for the tablet version.

So basically the new iMacs and MacBooks are using a CPU out of a tablet which itself is under 200MM2 of silicon. £1250 for a "desktop" with a tablet SOC,8GB of soldered RAM and a tiny SSD. Considering that a 24" 4K display is as cheap as £140,Apple is going to make massive margins on this new range.

[3dcandy]

Don't be lazy; say which models else your argument is nothing.
1/10 comeback. Try harder.

And do your work for you... you lazy oaf. More fun seeing you bleat and proving what an Apple fanboi you are...
0.1/comeback lazyness. Try much harder. Much much harder

[matts-uk]

And do your work for you... you lazy oaf. More fun seeing you bleat and proving what an Apple fanboi you are...
0.1/comeback lazyness. Try much harder. Much much harder

I've looked for an AIO Windows PC with a 4K screen and can't find one. asking for a photographer struggling to afford to replace their 12 year old iMac.

Not sure whether I qualify as an Apple fanboi. I mean, I have an Apple II and an iPad Pro and do my day to on an iMac....But have more money wrapped up in Windows, Linux, Synology and networking stuff.

[3dcandy]

I've looked for an AIO Windows PC with a 4K screen and can't find one. asking for a photographer struggling to afford to replace their 12 year old iMac.

Not sure whether I qualify as an Apple fanboi. I mean, I have an Apple II and an iPad Pro and do my day to on an iMac....But have more money wrapped up in Windows, Linux, Synology and networking stuff.

Again I can't believe you're asking that. google turns up 5 when I just looked.... HP Envy 32, Dell Optiplex 7770
It's not hard try aio win 10 4k screen

[matts-uk]

Again I can't believe you're asking that. google turns up 5 when I just looked.... HP Envy 32, Dell Optiplex 7770
It's not hard try aio win 10 4k screen

Already looked at the Dells. 7770 is no longer available. The 7780 only comes with an FHD panel. The HP costs more than a 27" Retina iMac. If that leaves me in Asus, Acer, Lenovo territory, the hardware is a bigger risk than Apple, IMO.

[[GSV]Trig]

To be fair we use Lenovo at work and they're fine, we have some AIO's, but mainly laptops..

[3dcandy]

Already looked at the Dells. 7770 is no longer available. The 7780 only comes with an FHD panel. The HP costs more than a 27" Retina iMac. If that leaves me in Asus, Acer, Lenovo territory, the hardware is a bigger risk than Apple, IMO.

Nowt wrong with Lenovo. Miles ahead of Acer and Asus. Heck HP have only just got back on track after several horrendous years when they were impossible to upgrade or swap components... oh wait

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If someone is really after a compact system,there are plenty of NUC-like devices which have a small footprint:
https://www.ebuyer.com/store/Compone...bcat/Barebones
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...pu-fully-built

That way you can actually have a better choice of decent monitors,especially the higher end models which will have support for a colorimeter,etc. Plus you can probably hang the NUC off the back of the monitor or have just to the side of it.

Also,if you look at the old iMacs you could actually upgrade things,even the last Intel one had a socketed CPU and RAM. The new iMac PCB has fully soldered components,and 8GB of RAM is pitiful. Under 1TB of storage is pitiful too,especially if you have to process a lot of RAWs from a newer digital camera. I have an interest in photography myself(have a monitor which supports hardware based calibration),and I wouldn't go under 16GB of RAM and 1TB of storage for a primary system. If anything if I HAD to go the Mac root,instead of a lower end iMac I would consider probably getting one of their laptops and an external screen. The lower end iMac is pretty much an iPad Pro/MacBook with a larger screen.

WRT to the latest NUC-like devices,the newest ones are quite powerful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNK_VfUeBbQ



It comes integrated with an RTX2060 and Core i7:
https://simplynuc.co.uk/11phki7c-full/

Plus if you don't mind going a bit bigger,cases such as the Dan Case A4 are only 7.25 litres:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/dan-c...ca-006-da.html

Something like a Core i5 10400 is only around £150 and has an IGP built in.

So you could get an B560 mini-ITX motherboard,32GB of RAM,a few TB of NVME SSDs,etc and the build would probably still be under £1000. The system also the ability to be upgraded too,and if a part fails you can replace that part. The problem with AIO systems is that if one part fails on the PCB,it pretty much means as many are fully soldered the whole motherboard has to be replaced. You can get then get a decent monitor for £500,and chuck in a hardware colorimeter for another £100~£200.