PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I suspect the reason behind FHD being the most popular monitor resolution is directly tied to the most popular graphics cards, which on Steam is also the cards being moved away from (which also seems to tie in with the decline in popularity of FHD). Heh, my monitor resolution isn't even listed, I'm in the "other" category

Probably. But my main concern is the RTX3060TI/RX6700XT are the minimum GPUs which I estimate are around PS5/XBox Series X level or maybe a tad better. Especially in the case of the XBox Series X you have a 384 bit GDDR6 memory bus for the GPU.

The RX6600XT/RTX3060 IMHO are too expensive for what they are - people are trying to rationalise the pricing because of the scalpers market,but I don't consider them great purchases at the inflated pricing. Just look at Zen3 pricing - now all the new generation 8 core CPUs from AMD/Intel are way above £300. If that price escalation happens for their next generations,its firmly going to push 6C CPUs above £200 again,and we will be stuck with 4C under £200 like it was many years ago.

My bigger concern is if both AMD/Nvidia form a little cartel and decide to push the pricing up permanently. As Corky34 indicated its happened before.

The sad thing its only the fear of what might Intel might do which could force the next generation of GPUs to be better priced. However,knowing Intel they will mostly service OEMs first,and unless they intend to do a bit of contrarevenue,then they might just join in.

I don't know whether its the Furlough money,or people saving money from not commuting,I can't imagine paying 50% to 100% more than RRP for a GPU or console from scalpers. Gamers must be the biggest mugs ever.

[Iota]

GPUs

are too expensive for what they are

Well, fixed that first part for you. Pricing on most new tech is beyond just inflationary changes. The only saving grace amongst all of this has been the ability to actually buy a new Nvidia card at MRSP in the form of a Founders Edition, but even those are priced way above where they should really be. AMD launch cards at MRSP, but you'll not likely find a good one at those prices.

I don't know whether its the Furlough money,or people saving money from not commuting,I can't imagine paying 50% to 100% more than RRP for a GPU or console from scalpers. Gamers must be the biggest mugs ever.

I'd never pay a scalper, the MRSP set by the companies is bad enough, but paying more on top of that just seems stupid. Is it just gamers buying the cards though, especially with home working and mining in the mix? Either way, even just the AIB pricing looks dreadful compared to MRSP, let alone adding scalper pricing on top. It makes consoles look far more enticing for gaming duties if this is the way pricing is going, not as though I can't use a keyboard / mouse with them now.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well, fixed that first part for you. Pricing on most new tech is beyond just inflationary changes. The only saving grace amongst all of this has been the ability to actually buy a new Nvidia card at MRSP in the form of a Founders Edition, but even those are priced way above where they should really be. AMD launch cards at MRSP, but you'll not likely find a good one at those prices.



I'd never pay a scalper, the MRSP set by the companies is bad enough, but paying more on top of that just seems stupid. Is it just gamers buying the cards though, especially with home working and mining in the mix? Either way, even just the AIB pricing looks dreadful compared to MRSP, let alone adding scalper pricing on top. It makes consoles look far more enticing for gaming duties if this is the way pricing is going, not as though I can't use a keyboard / mouse with them now.

It seems really bad for GPUs though. For instance I got deals on everything else for my PC and they seem at RRP or below it. I would say if you want to stock up on a new PSU,pricing has really gone down on those(not enough being sold due to a lack of GPUs??). Then even with smartphones,laptops with mainstream dGPUs,etc prices are OK.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Was reading one of the OcUK threads and apparently a big load of RTX3060 and RTX3060TI GPUs landed today around 2PM,and subsequently flew away.

It was Zotac 3060 models at £359 and £389 and the Zotac 3060Ti Twin Edge LHR models at £439 and £469

No on 3060 series I am afraid, we sold over 500 cards in like ten minutes and though most those will ship out this week I won't risk selling too large a volume in one go because as the word gets out in the market we have stock the amount of people coming to website just starts to explode and most of them are trying to order, in short if we left those 3060Ti on sales we would of sold 5000-10,000 units by the end of the day, so the demand in the channel is still nothing short of insane.

They are, over 1000 GPU's sold in the last hour alone, busy busy today.

Ouch. RIP GPU pricing!

[badass]

My bigger concern is if both AMD/Nvidia form a little cartel and decide to push the pricing up permanently. As Corky34 indicated its happened before.

I don't know what you mean (!)

It's not like before the floods that we could get HDD's over 10 years ago cheaper at the same capacity as we can now, despite the considerable advances and cost savings by WD/Seagate

It's not like over 10 years ago I could get 32GB RAM cheaper than it is now despite it being vastly cheaper to manufacture now

I'm suuuuuure that GFX card prices will settle down to reasonable levels next year and not stubbornly reset to this "new normal".

Yes. Totally sure.

Totally. Right?

Right?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't know what you mean (!)

It's not like before the floods that we could get HDD's over 10 years ago cheaper at the same capacity as we can now, despite the considerable advances and cost savings by WD/Seagate

It's not like over 10 years ago I could get 32GB RAM cheaper than it is now despite it being vastly cheaper to manufacture now

I'm suuuuuure that GFX card prices will settle down to reasonable levels next year and not stubbornly reset to this "new normal".

Yes. Totally sure.

Totally. Right?

Right?

Intel are now our last best hope for the market!







Goodness grief...we are so screwed now!

[Dribble]

AMD literally said it was a FHD card. It's not aimed at QHD. And BTW...FHD is what the VAST majority of people play games at.

AMD sold the same price of card years ago (a 5700XT) and advertised it as a 1440 card. How can you even take them seriously when they tell you their new (probably £400+ card once the obvious early discount MSRP cards go) is only good for 1080p?

What next, in 2023 spend £400 on the 7500XT with it's <100nm die, 64 bit memory for amazing 720p gameplay?

[kalniel]

AMD sold the same price of card years ago (a 5700XT) and advertised it as a 1440 card. How can you even take them seriously when they tell you their new (probably £400+ card once the obvious early discount MSRP cards go) is only good for 1080p?

No need to take them at their word - the reviews agree, it's very definitely targeted at 1080p - with the associated yield and power savings from doing so.

What next, in 2023 spend £400 on the 7500XT with it's <100nm die, 64 bit memory for amazing 720p gameplay?

If you think that's bad you should see what's happened to car prices But seriously, I don't think there's much of a market for a 720p targeted card. 1080p is still a hugely popular market.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD sold the same price of card years ago (a 5700XT) and advertised it as a 1440 card. How can you even take them seriously when they tell you their new (probably £400+ card once the obvious early discount MSRP cards go) is only good for 1080p?

What next, in 2023 spend £400 on the 7500XT with it's <100nm die, 64 bit memory for amazing 720p gameplay?

It will be 720P but with "AI" super-duper upscaling to 4K!!

[kalniel]

It will be 720P but with "AI" super-duper upscaling to 4K!!

We won't actually render 3d scenes any more, AI will just reconstruct what you're expecting

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

We won't actually render 3d scenes any more, AI will just reconstruct what you're expecting

We bring you unique personalised experiences! That is the new motto for next-generation gaming.

[DanceswithUnix]

We won't actually render 3d scenes any more, AI will just reconstruct what you're expecting

Put the geometry info into an AI core and let it directly paint the result. Erm, that actually sounds possible, maybe if games were coded a bit differently
I'm sure someone will be working on it.

[3dcandy]

I think us enthusiasts are forgetting what an impact on prices in general the last 18 months has had....
Inflation is at it's highest for years with a caveat that prices dropped hugeley in 2020 from an incredible lack of demand (generally)

I have a mate who imports stuff from around the world. In general prices have TRIPLED in the last 7 months alone. Brexit and everything has hammered things. Shipping costs of some items have QUADRUPLED, yet the market is weak and people do not want to pay any more than they did before. So basically the stuff doesn't get imported any more, or only in bulk to try and save costs
It wouldn't be absurd to say that graphic cards and pc parts in general are probably in real terms 50% more to bring in to the country and sell. So we should expect a 50% rise in prices to compensate? Erm nope... we expect them to be the same price or cheaper... or provide more performance for the same price because that is what has happened historically

So when a card comes along that does quite a lot for the price but isn't available at rrp or even close to it at launch we are all up in arms and compare it to a card that has been out months.... forgetting all about the issues going around. Yet we will pay a large amount for a fruity device where they have actually not changed much and actually use a cpu that is half the price to them in real costs (M1 cough) because it is the future....

I despair sometimes of how people think

[kompukare]

In terms of sustainability, well mining is a bit like mining: tearing up the Earth. Deservedly this gets lots of word of criticism.

However, gamers wanting to engage in some wanton consumption. No words of criticism allowed.

Gamers wanting to continue their wanton consumption during a shortage (however caused: solely by miners, solely by impatient gamers, or a combination of both) and willing to drive high prices even higher. No words of criticism allowed.

Obviously margins have increased for the manufacturers, the AIBs and distributors, etc. but the cost the true cost of wanton consumption is ultimately e-waste. And the environmental cost making all this stuff is not insignificant. So less consumption is not bad thing. Right to repair and durability would be nice too, but that the endless increase in computer power at the same or lower price has come to and end is no bad thing.

[Corky34]

That seems like rather black & white thinking, yes they're all wanton consumption but some action consume considerably more than others. If 'impatient gamers' weren't spending their leisure time on that they'd be doing something else and i doubt just sitting contemplating life would be one of those things so they'd be wantonly consuming pretty much whatever way you cut it, could the same be said for mining farms, would they be wantonly consuming more or less?

E.g. Because the stand-in RX570 i bought a couple of years ago won't run Death Stranding and i can't get a decent RTX 3060 Ti for £450 I've been doing a bit of DIY in my off time, that consumes sandpaper, paint, wallpaper, filler, white spirt, etc, etc.

[Xlucine]

I don't know what you mean (!)

It's not like before the floods that we could get HDD's over 10 years ago cheaper at the same capacity as we can now, despite the considerable advances and cost savings by WD/Seagate

It's not like over 10 years ago I could get 32GB RAM cheaper than it is now despite it being vastly cheaper to manufacture now

I'm suuuuuure that GFX card prices will settle down to reasonable levels next year and not stubbornly reset to this "new normal".

Yes. Totally sure.

Totally. Right?

Right?

RAM prices were pretty bad 10 years ago, at least when compared to today's pricing
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/ram/2...l-vs-kingston/
8 GB for £85 offering the best GB-per-£? You can get 8GB for half that now

It wasn't any better for higher capacities:
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/ram/2...memory-review/
12 GB for £150, which is more than 32 GB of flashy RGB stuff costs