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    PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    A solid card... but at what price?
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil





    Its not even any more efficient than an RTX3060TI? Very dissapointing for a 128 bit memory controller.
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Someone pointed this out on OcUK forums:



    Edit!!

    TPU said the Asus model they tested was $500!!
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

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    Its not even any more efficient than an RTX3060TI? Very dissapointing for a 128 bit memory controller.


    I think there's some important differences in methodology here

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post


    I think there's some important differences in methodology here
    Its still very poor and the top few are within a 5% margin of error. The RTX3060TI and RTX3070 uses a 256 bit memory controller. The RX6600XT only uses a 128 bit memory controller,and should in theory have a very simple PCB with few traces.

    TSMC 7NM is also much better than Samsung 8NM,so these GPUs look like they are probably lower grade ones,which are not used in laptops.

    The few reference boards which were tested seem better,but you can't buy those at retailers. Even if you could,AMD does not consider the UK an important enough market like Nvidia does,so won't ship reference models here.

    What we get is all the runt GPUs in AIB designs,overvolted to the max so AMD can try and justify the ripoff pricing. You even get less VRAM than the Nvidia competitor.

    So its overpriced,performs relatively poorly,has poor RT performance,falls behind at higher resolution,etc.

    Its game over for this if Nvidia decides to launch an RTX3060 Super 6GB,with the missing shaders of the laptop models.

    I own two SFF systems - a 12.7L NCase M1 and a 5.7L Velka 5,and the price does not even justify it in either of them!

    Even HUB who likes AMD,called this "AMD's Turing moment".

    Edit!!

    BTW,here is the link to the TPU main editor confirming Asus RX6600XT pricing:
    https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t.../#post-4580622
    ASUS DUAL: $499.99 btw

    Source for both: talked to ASUS USA directly
    So that is at least £433 over here with VAT added,and we usually pay another £20 on top of it.RTX3060TI FE is £369 and OcUK had a few RTX3060TI AIB models for as "low" as £420 last week.
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    I know to some extent the consumer doesn't see it, but for the die size/transistor count, this is quite punchy - significantly faster than a 3060 at 1080p while being smaller. That should help AMD with yields and therefore supply.

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    I know to some extent the consumer doesn't see it, but for the die size/transistor count, this is quite punchy. That should help AMD with yields and therefore supply.
    From a technical aspect its impressive if you think about. Smaller die size than a 5700XT,half the bus size,etc on the same node and matching it. But the issue here is the pricing,and the bigger issue is going to be pricing to OEMs. If AMD is pricing it so high to us,and can't even get out reference models in sufficient level(AFAIK,DIY builders can't buy the reference model),to keep the illusion of the RRP actually existing(Nvidia does),it tells me supply is not that great. Nvidia is shipping at least 4X to 5X the number of GPUs,AMD does. So even if only 15~20% of those are FE models,Nvidia might be shipping as many FE models as all AMD reference/AIB cards combined together.

    Hence,AMD is making sure to overvolt and tart up the GPU,to justify a higher price-point. They have done this before.

    Sadly consoles taking up so much supply means,realistically I think Nvidia is going to be the only way forward in most cases for the immediate future!

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    What else do you do when you can't get the supply from TSMC? Going small and fast is pretty much the best you can hope for.

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    What else do you do when you can't get the supply from TSMC? Going small and fast is pretty much the best you can hope for.
    That has to be reflected in its pricing,as unfortunately for AMD they don't exist in a vacuum. They made the decision to push 80% of wafers last year to consoles,even when they got extra ones before the RX6000 series launch. So they decided consoles were more important than CPUs and GPUs? Shrugs.

    The end consumer can see Nvidia GPUs dropping fairly regularly at their RRPs,and even last week RTX3060TI models were available in the low £400 area. Look on Hexus - so many who would normally get an AMD GPU,managed to nab an Nvidia one,many at RRP.

    The RTX3060TI is superior in most ways to the RX6600XT. The only two places the latter is better is open source Linux support(not relevant sadly for most gamers,but it is for me),and the reference model seeming to have better performance/watt(but we don't get the reference models in the UK,so its pointless for us).

    The big issue here is Nvidia RTX3060 supply. Its already good enough to find in tons of laptops right now.

    At this point,its just AMD saying "look here,we have something in that gap" and like the RX6700XT,they are most likely to stay on shelves,if its true they are going to be over £400.

    If you want an RX6600XT,and see one near to RRP,I think you might as well get it now. If its like the other AMD launches,it will just go up in price a lot.

    I am also weary of how this is going to improve.

    AMD has pushed even more 7NM wafers to the Steam Deck console,and are apparently launching Zen3 Threadripper this year. Even next year,I am uncertain with the RX7000 series how it is going to improve too.

    As much as everyone mocked Nvidia for using Samsung,its quite clear Nvidia again have shown how they have read the market better. It seems JHH is just a really great CEO. Even when they misstep they still win.
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    The other thing that something small that's clocked fast for desktop sometimes indicates is that there's a great laptop chip in there where downclocks net you an efficiency gain. The 3060 is where it's at for laptops, and this seems to be even better so I'd guess that's where AMD are really aiming this. I don't know what AMD are charging OEMs...

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    The other thing that something small that's clocked fast for desktop sometimes indicates is that there's a great laptop chip in there where downclocks net you an efficiency gain. The 3060 is where it's at for laptops, and this seems to be even better so I'd guess that's where AMD are really aiming this. I don't know what AMD are charging OEMs...
    Well we knew from the RX5000 series,AMD had apparently jacked up OEM pricing,so OEMs found it hard to meet the RX5600XT price-point. But it further highlights desktop is just getting chips which are probably not ideal on the voltage/mhz curve,which are overvolted. It is what you saw with the RX6700XT too.

    It's technically impressive,but as AT said,there is no such thing as a bad GPU,but a badly priced one. I would prefer and AMD dGPU for the Velka system,because its Linux so maybe I will just wait another year or two and pick one up secondhand,when hopefully its much cheaper.

    Edit!!

    From OcUK:

    There will be a handful available at MSRP on OcUK, but your talking seconds as its for a small amount available, so consider this a heads up to be fast, I will make stock available tomorrow, launch is 2pm, but I will maybe get them live a little earlier for you guys here who want to try and grab an MSRP card, but you need to be quick.

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Are AMD aiming to be the modern day villain of the GPU world?

    They can't continue to play the underdog/saviour, they as bad, if not worst than Nvidia now to inflating prices. What's worse is they give you none f
    Of the features we get from Nvidia, h
    Just a worst product, which is less capable, for more cash.

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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    That has to be reflected in its pricing,as unfortunately for AMD they don't exist in a vacuum. They made the decision to push 80% of wafers last year to consoles,even when they got extra ones before the RX6000 series launch. So they decided consoles were more important than CPUs and GPUs? Shrugs.

    The end consumer can see Nvidia GPUs dropping fairly regularly at their RRPs,and even last week RTX3060TI models were available in the low £400 area. Look on Hexus - so many who would normally get an AMD GPU,managed to nab an Nvidia one,many at RRP.

    The RTX3060TI is superior in most ways to the RX6600XT. The only two places the latter is better is open source Linux support(not relevant sadly for most gamers,but it is for me),and the reference model seeming to have better performance/watt(but we don't get the reference models in the UK,so its pointless for us).

    The big issue here is Nvidia RTX3060 supply. Its already good enough to find in tons of laptops right now.

    At this point,its just AMD saying "look here,we have something in that gap" and like the RX6700XT,they are most likely to stay on shelves,if its true they are going to be over £400.

    If you want an RX6600XT,and see one near to RRP,I think you might as well get it now. If its like the other AMD launches,it will just go up in price a lot.

    I am also weary of how this is going to improve.

    AMD has pushed even more 7NM wafers to the Steam Deck console,and are apparently launching Zen3 Threadripper this year. Even next year,I am uncertain with the RX7000 series how it is going to improve too.

    As much as everyone mocked Nvidia for using Samsung,its quite clear Nvidia again have shown how they have read the market better. It seems JHH is just a really great CEO. Even when they misstep they still win.
    JHH just goes around annoying people but has a company with enough muscle to ride it out. Great CEO? A bully by all accounts
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Was reading somewhere the other day that nobody seems to have pointed the finger at our fruity friends who have strongARMed TSMC into shifting a lot of focus to 5nm for their fabled super chip and it's almost to be launched younger sibling. The squeeze is on all ways over and TSMC have also jacked prices up to compensate for a hefty penalty clause if 5nm isn't meeting expectations. With NV being brutal to Samsung and them taking a contract that has sold them loads of chips but at what cost it's a horrible time to be trying to launch products
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    JHH just goes around annoying people but has a company with enough muscle to ride it out. Great CEO? A bully by all accounts
    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Was reading somewhere the other day that nobody seems to have pointed the finger at our fruity friends who have strongARMed TSMC into shifting a lot of focus to 5nm for their fabled super chip and it's almost to be launched younger sibling. The squeeze is on all ways over and TSMC have also jacked prices up to compensate for a hefty penalty clause if 5nm isn't meeting expectations. With NV being brutal to Samsung and them taking a contract that has sold them loads of chips but at what cost it's a horrible time to be trying to launch products
    Great CEO in terms of being able to turn a misstep into gold. It happened with Fermi,and now its happened with Ampere. Remember how everyone thought Samsung was Nvidia making a massive mistake??

    AMD,OTH,totally misjudged the market yet again and were not aggressive enough. They should have easily walloped Nvidia and Intel this generation. AMD was the primary beneficiary of the second biggest TSMC customer,Huawei being booted off it. They literally in 2H 2020, with the pandemic in full flow,put even more extra capacity to consoles. With 5NM and 3NM coming its quite clear Intel/Nvidia are buying up capacity....capacity AMD won't get. The current Intel CEO was the same guy who headed their consumer division and did all the crappy stuff with Dell. They will try their best to deny AMD volume.

    Literally giving away so many wafers to consoles,meant far less CPU/GPU volume - I really hope next year they do something about this. Nearly 20 million consoles with 300MM2 to 400MM2 chips. Think how many CPUs,APUs and GPUs they could have sold??

    The fact is Intel/Nvidia misstepped in technology,but AMD in actually selling its products. The reality is Nvidia/Intel have been the main beneficiary of the increased pandemic spending,since they had the volume. MS/Sony are still big enough to force AMD pricing down,and partly why Nvidia moved away from the home consoles. Instead they just sell a cheap to make old mobile SOC on an old process node to Nintendo. It made sense for AMD when they were nearly bankrupt but I really don't know going forward how viable consoles are going to be if it means AMD is more restricted in selling other products?
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    Re: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 XT Red Devil

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Was reading somewhere the other day that nobody seems to have pointed the finger at our fruity friends who have strongARMed TSMC into shifting a lot of focus to 5nm for their fabled super chip and it's almost to be launched younger sibling. The squeeze is on all ways over and TSMC have also jacked prices up to compensate for a hefty penalty clause if 5nm isn't meeting expectations. With NV being brutal to Samsung and them taking a contract that has sold them loads of chips but at what cost it's a horrible time to be trying to launch products
    Yeah, and there are plenty of downstream customers affected too - just as cars get more tech (for regulations mandated safety stuff for eg.) they find they're at the bottom of the queue for these chips too.

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