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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    3600mhz is the sweet spot, for gaming can be Cl18 if you cant find cheap cl16

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    The ram I am running with is Corsair 32GB 2x16 3600MHZ V Pro

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    I can recommend the 16GB HyperX Predator 3200 kit (HX432C16PB3K2/16). I'm currently running it at 3400Mhz CL16 @ 1.35v with no issues at all. That's with a Ryzen 3600 and Asrock X470 Taichi board.

    A friend of mine also runs the same kit with a Ryzen 2600X and one of MSI's Micro ATX B450 based boards (B450 Tomahawk iirc)... Running fine using the standard XMP profile at 3200 CL16.


    EDIT: My friends board is actually the MSI B450 Mortar and not the Tomahawk.
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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    I'm finding the 3600 trident-Z cl16 B-die runs just fine

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Swapped out my HyperX predator 3200 kit earlier with a Crucial Ballistix 3600 kit (gone from 16GB to 32GB). It works perfectly using XMP 3600 CL16 settings with my Asrock X470 Taichi and Ryzen 3600. Another good recommendation for the performance and the current price .

    I actually ended up buying a pair of 16GB kits (BL2K8G36C16U4B) as the 2x16GB kit seems to be sold out everywhere, unless you like red. I'm now using all four slots (4x8GB), but it doesn't really matter as the X470 Taichi has a T-Topology memory slot config.
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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    How difficult is it to overclock a 3200 kit to 3600? It feels much cheaper/easier to find deals on 3200 than 3600 atm.

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Micron E die is really good

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    I'm planning on getting 32GB 3600 cl18 or better at the end of this month and I'm wondering if anyone has a good idea of kits that are 34mm in height or less and are dual rank. B or E die memory is a bonus.

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by SexyPotato View Post
    How difficult is it to overclock a 3200 kit to 3600? It feels much cheaper/easier to find deals on 3200 than 3600 atm.
    Not sure how much it depends on the good old silicon lottery (assuming you know you're getting B-die to start with), but I've seen a few people report overclocking their 3200 kits to 3400 and I'm fairly sure 3600 also.

    Aren't they the same chips either way? I was under the impression that 3200 sticks and 3600 sticks (could) use the same chips, just with different profiles. Rather than the chips themselves being rated to a specific speed? Could be wrong tho, don't quote me

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Anyone with a Ryzen 5900X/5950X using 64GB?

    I think about getting a 4x16GB 3600MHz CL17 B-Die pack.

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSnake View Post
    Anyone with a Ryzen 5900X/5950X using 64GB?

    I think about getting a 4x16GB 3600MHz CL17 B-Die pack.
    you should be fine tbh. I've not seen a 500 series board 550 or 570 that wouldn't support 64GB. I would however look for CL16 or lower for 3600MHz. CL17 isn't that good and there are plenty of BDie CL16 options out there. TBH for 5000 series I'd look for faster RAM > 4000MHz and latency of CL18/CL19 or thereabouts. See here for a good steer: https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Found this 8pack XTREEM 4x64GB with CL17 and a good price. It's guaranteed bdie on the website you sent, too, and supposed to be RAM for OC.

    The other CL16 4x16 packs I've found were 3200Mhz, so seems like a good deal^.

    I think about getting a MSI X570 Tomahawk with that, but with all the reviews only talking about single and dual ranks the only review showing a 4x16GB with a Ryzen 5000 was a guy with unknown RAM memory dies, having problems going past 3200Mhz oO

    edit: I guess worst case scenario I can just stay 3200Mhz and lower the timings.

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSnake View Post
    Found this 8pack XTREEM 4x64GB with CL17 and a good price. It's guaranteed bdie on the website you sent, too, and supposed to be RAM for OC.

    The other CL16 4x16 packs I've found were 3200Mhz, so seems like a good deal^.

    I think about getting a MSI X570 Tomahawk with that, but with all the reviews only talking about single and dual ranks the only review showing a 4x16GB with a Ryzen 5000 was a guy with unknown RAM memory dies, having problems going past 3200Mhz oO

    edit: I guess worst case scenario I can just stay 3200Mhz and lower the timings.
    Single and Dual rank is not the number of RAM slots you use, it's how the chips are arranged on the RAM modules themselves. SR = single rank and has ram chips on one side of the ram stick only. The addressing is quicker since there are fewer chips to send information to - a shorter pipeline if you will. DR = dual rank and the chips are on both sides of the stick. More chips = more addressing, a longer pipeline etc.

    Generally speaking SR is going to be more stable for overclocking as they are usually a bit more tolerant of changes to the timings. YMMV. I don't think there are currently any SR 16GB modules out there.

    There is an alternative to B-Die, I think it might be micron E-die but don't quote me on that. Others will be able to confirm this.

    X570 msi ACE is happy at 3600 with B-die CL16 4x8GB SR modules and 3900x. I'd be surprised if 5000 was any different given the similarities and that the mobo is using the same controller etc.

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    I meant that reviewers focus on single and dual ranks so much they hardly even test 4 dual rank sticks, which is what I'm interested in.

    I know what SR and DR ranks mean and don't need additional explanation Also iirc single rank RAM can have chips on both sides - "In other words, if a module has chips on both sides of the PCB, which makes it dual-sided, it can still be single-ranked, dual-ranked, or quad-ranked, depending on how those chips are engineered."

    I know SR would be more stable for overclocking, but since I'm building a new PC that I would like to last for a few years and not have to buy additional RAM in the next couple of years, I would like to have 64GB from the start.

    By buying a quad 64GB kit I can have the slightly better sync from the start compared to buying 2 separate 2x16GB.

    I know that 16GB are most likely dual rank, especially on these B-dies. They seem good for the price and my expectations.

    My question for whomever knows or tested it is strictly regarding how far they got with a new Ryzen and 4x Dual ranked RAM that had decent chips and not potato chips

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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    I took the view that I'd rather have SR for now and also a lower latency since SR tend to come with tighter timings too. I can then change RAM later in life when/if I need it, and go straight to 128GB nearer the end of DDR4 life, or possibly jump to DDR5 and put the money there instead. 32GB is ample for me at the moment. Heck 16GB is fine in my laptop and win7 machines.

    If you're running at stock timings ie 3600 CL17 then I wouldn't expect any issues with DR. The issue will come with trying to OC it beyond those/tighten timings. On that no review can help you. Use the RAM tuner guides and I think there is some software you can download to help tweak things to customise settings for your specific chips.

    The first boot will default to low timings which is annoying. My experience with decent x570 boards is that they handle 3600 just fine without issue once set however. You can use XMP if you must, or better manually enter all timings and subtimings. Whichever route you go I would recommend you manually set the RAM voltage though - my BIOS tried to pump it out too high when left to its own devices. It's interesting to see I had to limit it to 1.31V in the BIOS/UEFI for the BIOS reported reading to stay below 1.35V. No stability issues at all since doing so. Just check the RAM you're getting will do 3600 at standard voltages and is not reliant on OC voltage to get that speed. I've seen some kits want 1.5V to hit the advertised peak speed (which I think is misleading as not all motherboards will be happy doing that day-in day-out)
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    Re: Ryzen owners RAM recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    Single and Dual rank is not the number of RAM slots you use, it's how the chips are arranged on the RAM modules themselves. SR = single rank and has ram chips on one side of the ram stick only. The addressing is quicker since there are fewer chips to send information to - a shorter pipeline if you will. DR = dual rank and the chips are on both sides of the stick. More chips = more addressing, a longer pipeline etc.

    Generally speaking SR is going to be more stable for overclocking as they are usually a bit more tolerant of changes to the timings. YMMV. I don't think there are currently any SR 16GB modules out there.

    There is an alternative to B-Die, I think it might be micron E-die but don't quote me on that. Others will be able to confirm this.

    X570 msi ACE is happy at 3600 with B-die CL16 4x8GB SR modules and 3900x. I'd be surprised if 5000 was any different given the similarities and that the mobo is using the same controller etc.
    There are several single rank 16GB modules and kits around now. I have a Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x16GB single rank kit that is based on Micron B-Die, Kingston HyperX FURY Black HX436C18FB4K2/32, HX432C16FB4K2/32 unknown ICs, some of the Crucial Ballistix 2x16GB kits have been spotted moving from Micron E-Die to Micron B-Die.

    Anyway the optimal configuration seems to be four ranks which can be achieved from either four single or two dual rank DIMMs.

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