What should by yearly income be?

[mikerr]

I am currently working on setting up a network from scratch for a medium business, it involves planning, costing, installing, testing and controlling the new install while supporting the current low level network.

I would try to get your job to just involve the bolded parts, you really get no money and lots of stress doing the "ground work", enjoyable though it may be at times.

[joshwa]

How long have you been doing it?

I would say the wage is probably about right, but would expect it to increase yearly, although you should have say 25 days off every year annual leave and then bank holidays / christmas / easter on top of that. (for a comparison with say working for the NHS in IT). And if you're not getting all those holidays, then you should really be getting paid more.

You'd be looking at a Senior Network / Server position in my opinion, including perhaps Security officer stuff which I'd say puts you in a Band 6 to Band 7 position in the NHS (as an example), which would be 23k-31k (6) to 28k - 37k (band 7). With IT Managers being on a grade 8 (36-43k). Have a search for Agenda For Change pay rates admin and clerical. Or have a look on NHS Jobs - NHS Careers and Jobs.

[Jay]

I am happy and if I worked for a charity I would not ask for more but I don't so why should my Multi-Millionaire MD have to under pay his staff?

I have 5 years as an IT manager, before that I worked in low level IT, I am 26 and I have worked for some huge setups in the past. In my last job I had to interview candidates to replace myself before I left so I was pretty well respected. In my current role my line managers are the company directors and I am often called into meetings with the directors and the MD to talk about the current IT budget, plans for future development and recently to talk about the new website (that I am co-ordinating).

I am paid a lot less than £25,000 I can tell you that and I think its about time I spoke up as I think people will pay you what ever they can get away with.

[joshwa]

Ygpm

[Nemeliza]

I think people will pay you what ever they can get away with.

This really should not surprise you and will be the case in most cirsumstances. Cost cutting seems to be the fashionable thing to do at the moment.

If you believe you are worth more than you are currently being paid then you need to sit down with your employers and discuss this with them. Some of them may not actually realise your value in your industry and only value based on what you have always accepted. Others will know full well what you are worth but won't initiate pay review talks without your pressure.

If you are going to do it, dont just walk the there and demand six figures because you have been there a while, if you truely believe you are worth more to them be prepared to prove it! If you can prove it to them, the only argument they can have is "the budget won't permit it" at which point you have a decision to make.

Good luck.

[malfunction]

If you believe you are worth more than you are currently being paid then you need to sit down with your employers and discuss this with them. Some of them may not actually realise your value in your industry and only value based on what you have always accepted. Others will know full well what you are worth but won't initiate pay review talks without your pressure.

If you are going to do it, dont just walk the there and demand six figures because you have been there a while, if you truely believe you are worth more to them be prepared to prove it! If you can prove it to them, the only argument they can have is "the budget won't permit it" at which point you have a decision to make.

Good luck.

Yup - and if you aren't sure what you're worth then try applying for a few jobs and see if you get any offers (even if you aren't intending to move on). Appreciate this may be hard to do (getting the time off) but in the past I've always found it worthwhile when unhappy in my job (even if you don't get any tempting offers it at least makes it easier to put up and shut up with what you have!)

[peterb]

Yup - and if you aren't sure what you're worth then try applying for a few jobs and see if you get any offers (even if you aren't intending to move on). Appreciate this may be hard to do (getting the time off) but in the past I've always found it worthwhile when unhappy in my job (even if you don't get any tempting offers it at least makes it easier to put up and shut up with what you have!)

And if the company values your input, the fact that you are thinking of leaving might make them think about paying a premium to keep you. On the other hand, they may not, so you should be prepared for some tough decisions.

[j1979]

Have you thought about moving to a communist country so that you can toil in the fields and earn the same as your other comrades? On a serious note some jobs pay more than others - supply and demand - just a fact of life. Personally I could live on less money than I get but if I wasn't doing my job someone else would be so why wouldn't I 'take the money and run'? Also different jobs and wages may give rise to inequality and jealousy but they also give rise to ambition and hope...

yer ive thought about going to israel to work in the kibbutz but then i thought why bother tho when communism will be in the west soon, just it wont be called the Motherland but the Environment.

Paying IT poeple more and more is fine, but in a knowledge based economy, you've got to be sure that recession aint going to hit, otherwise your left with a section of the work force thats skilled in areas that companies dont see as a priority. Updating a network or system is fine when a company is doing well but when hard times come (and they will come) keeping the core going is whats important.

So we may have a situation in a few years time where 1000's of IT Pros cant get a job in the UK, and are forced to take low paid jobs because they dont have skills that are wanted in while the country is in recession. Compounded with the fact that houses in this country are overvalued to the tune of 30-40%. Its Called Boom n Bust, and it always happens because people want more and more.

it wont effect me so much because i only have a low paid job, and i dont have a massive mortgage that is going to put me into neg equity.

i can remember G. Brown and T. Blair both standing together and Shouting "No More Boom n Bust" but in my opinion its to late because to many people have been overpaid for too long.

this flash video sums it up, which was put on the net way before talk of resesion or house price drop was in the news or papers.

Vocation Vocation Vocation

[Templar87]

God I hope you're just trolling j1979. What you've said is half commie propaganda, half total lack of understanding of today's business environment (which is for the most part dependent on IT).

[dave87]

Oh dear, distinct lack of understanding of basic economic principles.

I'm sure Saracen could write a well balanced argument in rebuttal, but I'm going to suffice with saying I disagree.

[j1979]

Oh dear, distinct lack of understanding of basic economic principles.

God I hope you're just trolling j1979. What you've said is half commie propaganda, half total lack of understanding of today's business environment (which is for the most part dependent on IT).

87 must have been a good year. oh yes i remember now the begining of the last recession and black monday. lol

[Templar87]

87 must have been a good year. oh yes i remember now the begining of the last recession and black monday. lol

I think we all know something far more important happened that year

[matty-hodgson]

The people who live in London on min wage are the people who come here to earn enough money to go back to their own country and live like kings.

that's Peterborough

[matty-hodgson]

I think we all know something far more important happened that year

i don't
i wasn't even alive.

[mikerr]

87 must have been a good year. oh yes i remember now the begining of the last recession and black monday.

lol I think we all know something far more important happened that year

1987: Australian singer Kylie Minogue releases her first hit, a remake of Little Eva's The Locomotion.

[malfunction]

So we may have a situation in a few years time where 1000's of IT Pros cant get a job in the UK, and are forced to take low paid jobs because they dont have skills that are wanted in while the country is in recession. Compounded with the fact that houses in this country are overvalued to the tune of 30-40%. Its Called Boom n Bust, and it always happens because people want more and more.

it wont effect me so much because i only have a low paid job, and i dont have a massive mortgage that is going to put me into neg equity.

You say you have a small wage and a small mortgage but I fail to see how this limits your exposure - surely it's expenditure vs income - hence a relatively large wage and a relatively small mortgage is 'the place to be'?