ADSL Speeds - When will we match CABLE packages!

[shamus21]

People knock BT because quite frankly they suck, and they can get away with it in most areas as they have no competition.

The first action of any complaint is complete denial, this repeats until someone finally gets either bored or takes pity of you, then they might send someone out to look at fixing the problem. Then they'll blame every single random bit of equipment in your house in a pointless attempt to throw you off the scent, one you've finally proven them wrong on every point, they then *might* start looking at their own equipment..
Then if they still can't find the problem they'll blame your equipment again, and round and around you go until you either give up, move or umm die lol.

Can you tell I'm having that *fun* game right now?

Yes and your not the only one

[shamus21]

Heh adsl will never compete with Cable EVER!. A fibre with the top quality readers of data can do Tb/s transfer rates, i think the theoretical maximum for fibre bandwidth is 50 Tb/s

But then again to do these sort of transfer rates the reader costs about the same kinda 0's on the end.

If you want more bandwidth buy a leased line, will only costs you 30K+ for a 4MB line heh.

TiG

Hey Tig to get 50TB would you not have to have a fibre cable going right into the house. ?

[shamus21]

It makes me laugh how backward Britain is in terms of technologies such as ADSL.

In Britain we're talking about rates of between 512Kbps and 2Mbps.. in Japan you can get a 26Mbps connection for ~£20 a month.

Read that line again if you didn't take it in the first time

The BBC article on it is here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3278375.stm

cheers,
dave

Good link i am going to email to BT adsl Team . and maybe they will put in some fibre around here for once.

[elglg]

Fibre to the Home was/is being trialled in some parts of Japan, Where there is a lot higher population density than there is in this country. So that supplying an appartment block with a fibre channel uses up a great deal more bandwidth than it would here, also there would be a lot more subscribers..... But due to the extreme cost of implementing such a system it is unlikely that it we will get this over here, unless the cost is greatly reduced. The best we can hope for is fibre ot the curb, which will still keep us with as much bandwidth as we need.

[Stoo]

I very much doubt that Japan was laying fibre networks to within 1km of 80% of homes after the war. Its just a case of BT wanting to make mega-huge profits rather than actually investing in anything worth while.

I didn't say that, but it paved the way to doing things properly, in japan you don't get the wiring cupboards getting flooded at the slightest sniff of a shower etc because of the way everything is planned.

After the war Japan had *heavy* investment, the UK didn't, simple as that.

In the late 60's the GPO had the option of installing a digital network, but didn't, preferring to keep the old analog system in place until just after the GPO was split into BT and The Post Office in the early 80's.
BT have always had the option to convert the system over to a more modern fibre-based network, but that marvellous thing called privatisation reared it's ugly head and the shareholders kicked up a fuss so the idea was canned.

Eventually BT will have to move with the times, but they'll only ever do it slowly so as not to upset the purseholders short-term profits

Useless bastards..

[spazman]

Before pirivatisation BT were 100 times worse than they are now. At one point they didnt even know how many people they had working for them and what assets they actually had :\. Youve got to love british efficiency

[Stoo]

yup, they were screwed before, and they're screwed after..

Good job I'm planning to move to Canada eventually

[Richie]

Reading all the "anti-BT and ADSL" stuff I thought I'd give my own experience.....

I had been waiting for ADSL since the pre-reg started (around 2001). I emailed off and was told a trigger level woulkd be in place by Sept 2002 going by the way registrations were happening on my exchange.

Sept came and went and the message went from "trigger level soon" to "unviable" i.e. no chance sunshine

Anyways, ppl kept registering and it got to 253 regs which is pretty good for round here. One night I was happily browsing the net on ISDN and an email appeared from some ADSL company saying "you will be able to get ADSL soon, sign up with us".

Naturally I was a bit and thought someone was taking the piss but when I checked the BT site, sure enough the trigger had been put in at 150 due to the new piggy-backing technique BT had tialled and started implementing so kudos to them for that.


I have been on ADSL with BT Openworld since Oct. BT even managed to give me a date 3 days earlier than planned to install it and I have had ZERO problems with it. 56-57KBps speeds down and 30KBps up and RELIABLE. I then moved to 1 meg when they got it and, again, no problems ever. Speeds normally max out around 115KBps and I have seen it peak and hold at 130KBps.


Long distance enabling - For exchanges already enabled it is daft for BT not to try and get more ppl to get on ADSL to get the extra money so they are trying their best to push the range of ADSL to way over DOUBLE the stated limit so gotta give em credit for this as well....

[Stoo]

That limit only ever applied to this country, other places have been running long-reach (a)dsl for yonks..

According to BT you can't run adsl over isdn lines either, yet in Germany they've been doing that since the outset..

[Spud1]

ADSL is a better connection that cable..you pay the extra for the better QOS without having to use *spit*NTL or something. theres a wider choice for adsl and its so much more flexable. dont realy see why anyone would go cable unless they poor

[Stoo]

Tosh! Utter Tosh!

My cable connection at uni was *far* superior to my current ADSL, the throughput was always higher on the cable modem, and cable can get upgraded far easier without having to worry about distance from the exchange, attenuation and SNR levels, if you have cable you can get the faster services.

The Cable engineers always turned up when arranged (Installation, added equipment and removal visits), and the service was A1.

Using cable has sweet FA to do with being poor, and everything to do with better speeds and service.

[Richie]

Some say ADSL > Cable
Some say Cable > ADSL


Newsflash, these opinions have got SOD all to do with the technology, its all to do with the customer experience - did the activation go as planned, is the speed they experienced good or bad, how did they feel about the customer services they received, have they had any probs.


Me - I have had nothing but great results from ADSL yet everyone I know near me have hated cable as its crap for them = ADSL > Cable

Stoo - has had nothing but probs with ADSL yet no probs with cable = Cable > ADSL.


Trying to find out whats ACTUALLY better from this is not gonna happen. Likewise, there aint no use arguing what is better cause it depends where you are, what ISP you go with, what speeds you get etc etc etc.


Yeah Cable might provide higher theoretical speeds but who here REALLY needs >8MBps connections ??

[spazman]

Any idea if the 1meg and 2meg connections will et longer reach as i live too far from my current exchange to be able to get these products

[zixiazhang]

How much does 3mb cables cost? I'm gonna be in student house next year and we want fast internet got used to uni networks

[Stoo]

Any idea if the 1meg and 2meg connections will et longer reach as i live too far from my current exchange to be able to get these products

According to the BT engineer that was around here a couple of hours ago, one of the people on the long reach trial who was previously unreachable was able to get upto 1.5Mbit without loss of service

How much does 3mb cables cost? I'm gonna be in student house next year and we want fast internet got used to uni networks

£50/mo with Blueyonder, split that between you and it shouldn't be too bad

In other news, I'm stuck on dialup while BT have another go at fixing my adsl line...

[philly]

I didn't say that, but it paved the way to doing things properly, in japan you don't get the wiring cupboards getting flooded at the slightest sniff of a shower etc because of the way everything is planned.

After the war Japan had *heavy* investment, the UK didn't, simple as that.

In the late 60's the GPO had the option of installing a digital network, but didn't, preferring to keep the old analog system in place until just after the GPO was split into BT and The Post Office in the early 80's.
BT have always had the option to convert the system over to a more modern fibre-based network, but that marvellous thing called privatisation reared it's ugly head and the shareholders kicked up a fuss so the idea was canned.

Eventually BT will have to move with the times, but they'll only ever do it slowly so as not to upset the purseholders short-term profits



Useless bastards..

The Telco game is long term planning, but BT only ever think short term How much money can we make today not next year with new tech/cable etc.