Bah! Eclipse traffic management / throttling is just a joke

[davidstone28]

Forget about Eclipse if you're thinking about P2P downloads.

Got my shiny new 8mbit connection (though its only really 5.1mbit) installed today and for a torrent that I know definitely downloads at at 170-180kbps on a 2mbit NTL cable connection, it downloads at an average of 14.9kbps! Better than the hideous Freedom2Surf (my last ISP), but its still very poor.

Traffic management truly sucks!

[da_ging]

if your talking about eclipse.net , which evo package are you on? and do you mean this is day 1 of having 8meg?

[Paranoid2000]

Traffic management truly sucks!

As long as ISPs are upfront about it, there should be no justification for complaints. Would you rather have all your Internet access (web, email, IM, VOIP) reduced to a crawl because of others' file-sharing?

[johnny02004976]

mate u think ur bad, try tiscali - u cant online game to well due to massive pings, and the crappy modem they give drops its connection almost once an hour, v frustrating if u leave the pc to download during nite etc

i had to buy new modem and router to get anything decent out of it, roll on october when i can ditch them

[madman045]

AFAIK traffic management is only during peak hours, so after 10pm until 8am your downloads should resume to normal speed depending on your ISPs policy...

Im with Entanet's business package at home, so I have 800 up, static IP, but its also classed as a priority connection so P2P and Bit torrent are classed as lower services...

I do however use BT for downloading software for work and its a pain sometimes, but this policy has been put into effect from BT Central.

[intro]

why the hell does britain gotta have like the slowest connections in the world, then they take those slow ass connections and they tell you your not allowed to download? hang on a second isn't that the internet is for uploading and downloading bits and bytes ffs

i guess i should be thankfull i don't live in the middle of no where like i used to. its still a bit pathetic though, that bt has this monopoly and screws everyone for it.

[arthurleung]

Just most people are so "short-sighted" and couldn't see the future of broadband, and fell into the trap of "cheap broadband".

Now we're getting more price-war. Those ISPs shot themselves in the foot when they set the price too low and couldn't afford another central to support increasing number of users. Everyone paying less, and of course getting a smaller share of the pie.

Who needs >2Mbps? Many people say they do, but practically they don't really need that because they don't even use a GB a month!

Why don't they ration food so that people don't get THAT FAT and save NHS money, and put that money into broadband infrastructure (no offence).

I'm glad that I'm with Zen now. 2Mbps had never been so nice ever. Had thought of going to Eclipse though. If I did go to Eclipse I would be doomed as nowhere else have proper unlimited non-throttled broadband at affordable price.

[PriestJPN]

uTorrent (and some other clients) have the option for protocol encryption to get past the traffic management so it looks similar to an SSL stream. Set it to 'forced' and don't allow incoming legacy connections...

[RedPutty]

I am on freedom2surf and its hardly worth trying to play online FPS because the ping is so bad.

[UltraMagnus]

this is pathetic.

britain is getting outclassed on connection speeds by places like korea.....

not only that, but stupid ISPs think they can screw us over and tell us what we can and cant do with a service that WE PAYED FOR.

and would i rather everything was slow because people were filesharing? no, i would rather that stupid lazy ISPs wernt such idiots and improve the infrastructure to give us what we pay for in the first place!

there should be a law against this sort of crap....

or perhaps BT and the government shouldnt be so short sighted and lay bloody fibre cable like we have been needing for 15 years....... then we can all have 2048mbps pipes and be happy.....

[Steve B]

this is pathetic.

britain is getting outclassed on connection speeds by places like korea.....

if only it were that simple, over there, theres minimal laws about putting optos on top of telephone poles through the streets, over here its all cabled underground or through local telephone interchange.

its a trade-off between nicer streets, and fast internet, and here, they prefer nicer streets

[badass]

LOL this thread must have the largest collection of blinkered views I've seen in a while.
Broadband is a contended service. If you want all the bandwidth all the time, why should other subscribers pay for it. Pay the £150 per month for the bandwidth you use and stop moaning
Oh and P.S. fibre links cost an absolute fortune to lay. To lay a fibre cable to a school for their internet connection from an exchange that was close by it cost £60,000
One half of a fibre link I got BT to sort for my company cost £28,000 and it was only that cheap because we got some other contractors to do the vast majority of the work so only ended up paying BT for about half the work.

[TheAnimus]

also P2P is NOT a cheap network technology, its actually a very expensive one in many circumstances.

try things like usenet

[javalord]

also P2P is NOT a cheap network technology, its actually a very expensive one in many circumstances.

try things like usenet

Usenet's even more cruel on ISPs - especially when users discover the wonders of Giganews who can and do supply 10mbit/s+ easily, for days on end.

But on that matter, usenet, nah thats rubbish, doesnt exist ;-)

One of the biggest problems is that the BT ADSL network is based on ATM (Async transfer mode) which is great for reliable networks where you can build in a certain level of service (cell rate).

However... smashing 622mbit/s of ATM cells through any medium is *very* computationally intensive, namely the SAR (segmentation and reassmbly) bit. Nevermind costing £1.2m for installation and costs for 1 year, which can be saturated with just over 100 users running full pelt.

Then there are the other logistical matters - now that telco's cant easily stick fibre in the ground without paying through the nose, there's only so much you can do with fibre including using tech such as DWDM which packs loads down one fibre.

In summary :BT never anticipated this much demand and usage in the space of 5-10 years, the network was never designed for this usage in mind, nevermind consistently. Until 21cn comes along, traffic management will be the only way forward.

[UltraMagnus]

LOL this thread must have the largest collection of blinkered views I've seen in a while.
Broadband is a contended service. If you want all the bandwidth all the time, why should other subscribers pay for it. Pay the £150 per month for the bandwidth you use and stop moaning

thats stupid, we pay for unlimited broadband, we should get unlimited broadband, without ISPs telling us what we can and cant do!

In summary :BT never anticipated this much demand and usage in the space of 5-10 years, the network was never designed for this usage in mind, nevermind consistently. Until 21cn comes along, traffic management will be the only way forward.

like i said, its down to BT and the governments short sighted pigheadedness......

personally, i think ISPs should stop doing this crap, but if they are going to they should put somthing like this on their homepage:

WARNING, WE HATE LINUX, WE HATE ANYONE USING THEIR CONNECTION FOR WHAT THEY BOUGHT IT FOR, WE WILL STOP YOU DOING F*** ALL WITH YOUR CONNECTION

[slugs]

i didn't know eclipse has implemented traffic managment as yet. im on a 2mb package and thinking im going to stay as i am for a while. im 500m from the exchange so hoped to get a good speed at 8mb