Back to Watercooling?

[StormPC]

Was that at stock voltage?

No, about 1.5 volts. (Near stock, vmod on GPU only. Didn't have all four mods done, just VGPU.)

NOX...

If water cooling is so great why are you not running water?

[Smokey21]

That bench was months ago but I believe I was running 660/612. The RAM on that card really sucked. The card was on roomtemp water. I can run the same clocks on air with that card. My 24/7 clocks are 620/600 on that rig with aircooling. Also my RAM was trash.

Here's a challenge. Anybody want to take me up on it?

Build any water-cooled system you wish. Tell me how much you spent and bench it with the benchmark(s) of your choosing. I'll build an air-cooled system for less money and I'll kick your arse in the benchmarks as well.

So who wants some?

you my freind, are full of complete and utter bollocks. no XTPE can do 660 on the core with air, unless it's some amazing air like viperjohns mods.

and yes, i could easily whip your ass with my rig, but well my i don't care how big my epenis is like you.

my XTPE is game stable at 668/627 and bench at 675/640 perfect. if air can do that ill give you a cookie.

and lol you go on about the cost of water or w/e, you have a bloody FX-55 you moose.

[Moby-Dick]

smokey - tone down your language if you want to be able to partake in the community.

there is no need for insults.

[Nox]

NOX...

If water cooling is so great why are you not running water?

Show me the post where I said water was so great.

Please...

All I said was it was a terrible bet on your behalf. You needed to re-word it. Like stating 'fully contained within case' or such.

All systems have their merits, and their problems. Depends which compromise you wish to pick. Can you not see this? And thats from someone who has had water and phase change cooling in the past.

Nox

[SilentDeath]

No, about 1.5 volts. (Near stock, vmod on GPU only. Didn't have all four mods done, just VGPU.)

Max. safe voltages
VGPU
Stock: 1.31V - 1.41V
Air cooling: ~1.45V
Water cooling: ~1.7V
Phase change: ~1.85V

So you have a hacked up cpu heatsink, which is only a tiny bit better than any commercial air heatsink...

Id like to see it cope well at 1.7v AND still be silent.

Im getting 640mhz at 1.4v with water (X850XTPE). I will be doing the VID mod soon though, to 1.55-1.6. Later on when I get round to the OCP mod I will re-do the VID at 1.65-1.7.

Im quite sure my card will do 700mhz+...

[StormPC]

Show me the post where I said water was so great.

Please...

All I said was it was a terrible bet on your behalf. You needed to re-word it. Like stating 'fully contained within case' or such.

All systems have their merits, and their problems. Depends which compromise you wish to pick. Can you not see this? And thats from someone who has had water and phase change cooling in the past.

Nox

Read post #29 again.

Also, I didn't say water can't beat air in cooling, I said air @ ambient cools nearly as well as (and sometimes better than) room temp water systems. My main point is that water is not worth the trouble. It's a toy, nothing more.

Smokey,

I said I use air cooling, didn't say it was stock. My custom HSF on the X800 XT PE is about as good as you can get with air. That's my whole point really. If you do air right, water cooling looks silly because the performance gains (which will only be realized if water is done properly) are little when compaired to the risks.

[weebroonieuk]

water is a toy ? well with my system i have no fans bar the one in the psu as i have stated many times , im still on the athlon xp which is running at 2.6ghz with 1.775 volts going into it and im also cooling my nforce2 chipset aswell with water

since my pump is up in the loft there is no noise from having to cool the cpu or the northbridge

i bet my system is a hell of alot quieter than any of yours and does all i need quite happily
as i have better things to do than tinker with synthetic gaming benchmarks

i mean honestly your bickering over who could win what in synthetic benchmarks .........

[Smokey21]

water is not a toy, it's better thna air, far better than air.

go back to your troll cave storm.

hell my pc owns your's and it costs about a 1/3rd of what your's did.

[StormPC]

water is not a toy, it's better thna air, far better than air.

go back to your troll cave storm.

hell my pc owns your's and it costs about a 1/3rd of what your's did.

Really? Which one? I have a lot of computers.

Which part of Moby-Dick's post gave you the most trouble "troll"?

You should stick to offering evidence to support you claim (not sure what you're claiming at this point since you rarely post on topic).

I stated my point so I won't do it again. I'm guessing you disagree.

In what way does your rig own my rigs and what makes you think you know how much I paid? It's a lot less than you might think.

[Nox]

Read post #29 again.

OK you got me But I was referring to a non-practical system there, not a general water solution.

Nox

[Butcher]

I'm yet to see a performance air rig that didn't sound like a hovercraft, until I do, I'll stick with water. If you can make an air rig with offers similar performance to water (properly assembled, not some cheapy kit job) and has noise lower than that of FDB hard drives, please do tell us how.
Bottom line is, I value my ears more than 50 more marks in an irrelevant benchmark.

[Dark Horse]

I'd agree with storm that a well done air system could be a low end water system for performance.

However it would never beat it for noise

[Smokey21]

I'd agree with storm that a well done air system could be a low end water system for performance.

However it would never beat it for noise

Of course it will, but thats not the issue here. A Xp-120 with a nice fan is gonna be just as good as a cheapo water system, but it will be no where near a high end water setup, such as mine.

Basically water keeps the load temps a lot lower than air, and you can pump more voltage in. For example with my XP-120 on a clawhammer i reached 50c at lod with 1.75volts, on water i can run it at 1.8volts and it never goes higher than 42C, which is important for my mobile chip.

TBH i couldn't give a **** what storm says anymore, he's oviously a spoilt git, water is a very viable option, and is becoming more and more popular. if done right, it's well worth it.

[Butcher]

Storm has the issue that he thinks he's always right, despite any evidence or such to the contrary. And he can't let an arguement lie. It makes him come across as somewhat up his own arse which puts a lot of people's backs up.

[StormPC]

I'm giving my opinion just as you and Smokey. Also, you guys dug this thread up again, not I. So who has the issues?

In my opinion water is a toy when using it in computers. It's just something to play with, with no real benefits other than killing time and looking cool. It is quiet, but my aircooled systems will stomp any internal non-chilled water system. And it will do it for much less money, with better performance and the same or less noise.

Water is very good for keeping your fish in however.

[Scarlet Infidel]

Sorry, you may have said this already, but what aircooling do you use?