Bethesda RPG games boring?

[melon]

And I do agree with you Zak, these are real time sink games you cannot just put in a hour here and there you have to sit down and play them in big chunks.

Thats my point ,you should not need to do that to enjoy it just because you need to do all these tasks to get more interesting things to do more tasks.

There should be chance / unpredictability that makes it more enjoyable and feel " special " right from the start.

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[Zadock]

this is, frankly, a superb thread.

It starts with a brilliant and simple question and a debate is posed, well worded and not aggresive. It BEGS for replies...

and then it GETS brilliant replies from people with intellect and balanced views. And good experience too.

It also happens to totally fit in with Ferral and my own's recent, and lengthy, text discussions, resulting in a 1 hour telephone training session while he guided me through the intricacies of Obvlivion.

I am still struggling with it.. and it's not the games fault. It's down to my current life style, work load, and real life.

10 years ago.. this would have dragged my sorry sack-cloth loving, chain-mail covered ass in and spanked it. I would have lived and breathed Oblivion.

But in 2011, I have no time to spend on it. It takes too long. AND YET.. I see the brilliance. It's like a great book that I just can't get "into" and yet I KNOW I should.

Right now I'm into a much simpler, more linear game .. The First Templar.

From "outside looking into my head" as a long long term games.. Templar is NO WHERE as good as Oblivion.... but it IS BETTER for me, in 2011.

Great thread.. just great.

What you say abotu a 1 hour training, I can believe that! The elderscrolls games do tend to just dump you in the world and leave you to it and it can be a little bit overwhelming. They have definitely gotten better though, I really didn't get on with Morrowind to begin with. I had no idea what I was doing, where to go and I have to admit that I probably wouldn't have continued to play it if I hadn't spent a bit of time reading about it on the wikia. Oblivion improved on that aspect a bit and gave you a solid quest to start on and skyrim has gone one step further and given you tutorials from certain characters on things such as smithing.


What is first Templar like? I was looking at it a while back with a mate, we're always on the look out for a good coop experience. Got my eye on LOTR War in the North as well at the moment but I suspect we'll probably just wait for Borderlands 2

[j.o.s.h.1408]

With the risk of being flamed this is just my opinion of course there are many fans of Bethesda games Oblivion /fallout 3/Skyrim.

I played the first 2 but couldn't get into them at all to be honest. I found walking around the worlds quite boring and pacing very slow. I know there a lots of people that enjoy discovering the open worlds that were created but I just find the pacing too slow. I actual prefer my RPG to have tight story and more linear. I prefer bioware's style Mass effect etc to RPG I know some haven't been that great but most are of a high standard. Does anyone agree or mostly disagree?

Disagree. i like to control my own stories. make my own decisions and go and do stuff as i please. i dont like linear rpg games telling u what to do, where to go and when to go etc etc. dont like my hands being held on a RPG game.

The keyword is RPG ie role playing game. You play a role and you go about playing it the way you want to, not the way the game wants you to play.

Best action RPG is FF7 and 8. much better then mass effect 1 and 2 IMO

[TaintedShirt]

I'm probably posting in the wrong thread but ere goes...

I love fps games, eg BFBC2, Half Life, etc (hopefully BF when I get a new build). I love old style adventure games. Grim Fandango, Still Life, Day of the Tentacle, etc.

I read the reviews of rpg and they always appeal to me. Sound so great but when I play them I get frustrated as hell. Unsure of where to go, what to do. Or I end up with dozens of side missions that I can't keep track of. But I guess the main reason I get frustrated with the games is the whole concept of ramifications of your actions. I, childishly maybe, always want to get the best outcome. I then get paranoid playing a game, flicking from the game to some online guide for every decision just so I don't mess up.

I also find that some of the basic concepts aren't well explained as most games seem to be aimed at people who already play the genre and have some idea how to play them. As an example, I gave up playing Dragon Age after allowing someone new in to my party only to find out I could only have three in a party and I had to lose one of my current party. I had thought I could just add more people.

Having said all that, I will probably pick up Skyrim if it gets below £20 and is available. Just to try it out of course.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

I'm probably posting in the wrong thread but ere goes...

I love fps games, eg BFBC2, Half Life, etc (hopefully BF when I get a new build). I love old style adventure games. Grim Fandango, Still Life, Day of the Tentacle, etc.

I read the reviews of rpg and they always appeal to me. Sound so great but when I play them I get frustrated as hell. Unsure of where to go, what to do. Or I end up with dozens of side missions that I can't keep track of. But I guess the main reason I get frustrated with the games is the whole concept of ramifications of your actions. I, childishly maybe, always want to get the best outcome. I then get paranoid playing a game, flicking from the game to some online guide for every decision just so I don't mess up.

I also find that some of the basic concepts aren't well explained as most games seem to be aimed at people who already play the genre and have some idea how to play them. As an example, I gave up playing Dragon Age after allowing someone new in to my party only to find out I could only have three in a party and I had to lose one of my current party. I had thought I could just add more people.

Having said all that, I will probably pick up Skyrim if it gets below £20 and is available. Just to try it out of course.

Skyrim has various missions that teaches you the basis of the game such as how to create our own armour based on raw materials, how to create potions etc etc. TBH, many RPG games carry the same formulae, ie they all have some kind of crafting in it, some kind of leveling up etc.

Once you play just one rpg game, the rest you will pick up easily. i know what you mean mate. guidl wars was my first proper rpg game i played and in that game i mostly just did the quests, no crafting etc etc but now i learned about crafting, leveling up different perks/skills from vairous other rpg games like Rift and WOW, coming to a game like Skyrim is a doodle as many of the same game mechanics from rift, wow and guild wars, are on Skyrim.

i Suggest you try Skryim. learn about crafting and all the bog standard rpg mechanics and then when Fallout 4 comes out, you will pick that up in an instance mate.

They do take a while to learn and master the game. im nowhere near have done everything you can possibly do in Skyrim. My next objective is to buy a house and get married in skyrim

[Ferral]

I do like the Bethesda RPG's

On the flip side of the coin though they sometimes get a bit tedious. I could never get away with Morrowind, just dont like the game mechanics and its really difficult to find where you are supposed to be going, got stuck on a story quest shortly after the first large town you go to, just couldnt find where to go. I am watching the Moroblivion mod though, once that gets to completion I will try Morrowind again.

Fallout 3 I ploughed I dont know how many hours into it and finally got bored with it about three quarters of the way through and havnt touched it since (was doing all the side missions etc). Last mission I really enjoyed on it was when you go into another vault and get trapped in the 50's, loved the feel and the way it was done. I have also got New Vegas which is kind of similar but I find it more enjoyable than Fallout 3, pacing is a bit better I think.

Now going back to the Elder Scrolls, Oblivion is an absolutely fantastic game, Only letdown for me which I'm not looking forward to again is when all the gates open up outside towns and cities and you have to systematically close them all. Just gets a bit tedious. That though and the Vampiric cure quest are the only things I dont like about it.

A good way to learn on the ES games is joining your characters guild, Mage, Fighter, Thief or Dark Brotherhood (Careful who you decide to kill to join that group, could destroy a quest without knowing). Doing this can help you learn the mechanics of the game, one of the first things I have done on my new playthrough is join the Fighters Guild and have been working on that questline, I have also joined the other guilds so the starter quests are lined up ready for my next challenge. So far I have now started to experience Blackwood Company so quite far into Fighters overall story arc. I have also been doing a few of the other side quests like the one with the staff and scamps, mazoga the orc and I have also done trapped in a dream and the awesome trapped in a painting quest, currently doing the hunters run dungeon after being tricked by an orc.

You will find that you get quests and tasks from even the most standard of characters, a missing person could give a good questline (Hunters Run and the Painted World for example).

My first playthrough of Oblivion a few years back I clocked up around 240 hours in total, this included Knights of the Nine and the complete Shivering Isles. I literally had nothing left to do by the time I had finished, also bought and decked out all the houses in the game. Wish I hadnt lost that save now

I am now 20 hours into my new game and am loving it like it is a new game all over again. The world has me hooked. I am using Quarls Texture Pack so it looks amazing and also downloaded an additional questline which happens after the endgame, cant play it yet understandably though.

The pacing with the ES games can be a little slow at times but quite literally you can just select an area on the map that has you intrigued and head off in that direction to see what you find. Or literally just stick with questlines and play it rigid, it works either way. The more you actually ut into a Bethesda RPG the more you actually get out of it.

[kalniel]

Now going back to the Elder Scrolls, Oblivion is an absolutely fantastic game, Only letdown for me which I'm not looking forward to again is when all the gates open up outside towns and cities and you have to systematically close them all. Just gets a bit tedious.

HINT1: I don't think you have to close them all, just the ones indicated by quests - and in any order you like.

HINT2: Just ignore the main quest, then the gates don't open up in the first place

The more you actually [p]ut into a Bethesda RPG the more you actually get out of it.

Spot on.

[Ferral]

There comes a point in the main quest line though where all those gates outside the cities (Just the ones outside each town and city, not the rest of them in the world) have to be closed to carry on with the main story. Theres around 7 of them which you have to close if my mind serves me right. I have been avoiding the gates this time round I have been finding in the world, also collected loads of Blood Grass ready for when I actually contract the Vampire disease, getting the ingredients ready now!

My mother has bought me Skyrim for Christmas on the PC, really looking forward to getting it. My wife told me I wasnt allowed to buy it when it got released so she could get me it for Christmas. She is now buying me my yearly DC Thomson Annuals and a few bits like new boots and coat for when I am up the stables.

[markus2311]

i do agree about ME2. Its really a awesome game for the wii u price, but when it comes to RPG games, Elder Scroll Series was the best there was. Elder Scroll : Oblivion and Skyrim both storyline and gameplay were way too amazing and vast. Its addicting with many different way to play.
Elder Scroll : Oblivion was Game of the Year 2008 and i would not surprised if Skyrim gets Game of the Year for 2011.

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[Deadlight]

Oh yes, I like my RPG'S, as well as other games like BF3. I'm playing a lot of Skyrim - - I haven't make the progress, unlike like dangel; he's on blimmin' level 51, I'm on level 16! I'm definitely enjoying it though (mage FTW!).

One aspect of PC game which I see as A Very Good Thing is mutliplayer. MMORPGs will always gain my attention - I played WoW for several years, and dropped it a start of this one. I'm looking forward to Guildwars 2 and Planetside 2. It's the whole social side of gaming that attracts me. My buddy dangel though, really doesn't get the whole multiplayer thing, which sort of puzzles me a bit I guess, but I do understand we all want different experiences from gaming - me, I really like to share mine with other people...

[dangel]

Oh yes, I like my RPG'S, as well as other games like BF3. I'm playing a lot of Skyrim - - I haven't make the progress, unlike like dangel; he's on blimmin' level 51, I'm on level 16! I'm definitely enjoying it though (mage FTW!).

I am a sad git, it's official. I'd say though it's a vast game and whatever pace suits you - great - i'm certainly not racing ahead but this feeds to my next response..

One aspect of PC game which I see as A Very Good Thing is mutliplayer. MMORPGs will always gain my attention - I played WoW for several years, and dropped it a start of this one. I'm looking forward to Guildwars 2 and Planetside 2. It's the whole social side of gaming that attracts me. My buddy dangel though, really doesn't get the whole multiplayer thing, which sort of puzzles me a bit I guess, but I do understand we all want different experiences from gaming - me, I really like to share mine with other people...

I don't even like having an AI companion that much, and on missions where they (very nicely) offer you the choice of "going in alone" or taking in a platoon of AI bots I always choose the former - I prefer to achieve it myself. As for MP - I guess as I said before I like to progress at my own pace and don't want to wait for people like Deadlight to finish watching eastenders or football
I like the fact I can dip into it, whenever I like and it's my own little world. That said the other aspect is MP can bore me - unless is coop and even then it depends on the game. I'm more than happy to have raft of big, open world SP games to play this xmas - it's my thang.

[Paul_Lye]

I like games with more linear and tight stories like ME but then again I like more openworld games like skyrim too. I like first person shooters, sports sims, strategy games and just about any type of game you can mention. What was my point again ummm oh yes, if you want linear and tight stories with more open world fun (I know its a contradiction) then get star wars the old republic when its released on the 20th december. By all accounts its more single player, story driven then the average mmorpg and it has the bonus that it is actually a mmorpg with all the inherent benefits (content updates, real people to play with/against)

[roachcoach]

I got kind of bored with it to be honest. Put a decent amount of hours into it, but definitely lost a lot of interest.

I might go back later, but I just found it kind of frittered out for me. On all characters too, probably got to about the same hours in and just found myself thinking that I just don't care/bored/far too easy (dont mention that one on the official boards!) and starting over and it just got dull.

[dangel]

Nice thing is you can ramp up the difficulty (or down) at any time..

[RoyceHawk]

I think that it has to be said that Bethesda RPG's are a matter of user taste.

I for one love the visuals and the dialogue, but often find myself wondering aimlessly, clearing out entire areas before I am even meant to be there and somewhat abandoning the story arc and main quests as my curiousity always gets the best of me and after all isn't an open world is there to be explored?

Since playing Skyrim though I have tried to tether myself a little bit to following the main quests more often than not and I must admit to finding it very rewarding in terms of keeping me interested enough to keep playing, unlike fallout 3 and new vegas, where my wandering left me feeling a little bored after a while.

All in all I think that they are some of the finest games to have been made in all of gaming history, in terms of visuals, design, soundtracks and gameplay mechanics, you just need to go with the story a little to truly enjoy them for what they are.

[kalniel]

All in all I think that they are some of the finest games to have been made in all of gaming history, in terms of visuals, design, soundtracks and gameplay mechanics, you just need to go with the story a little to truly enjoy them for what they are.

Now I'm the opposite - bethesda games are the best when you completely ignore the story IMHO. They're more fun when you make your own.