Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts

[Robscure]

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

I'm all for world peace, tolerance, and freedom, but I don't think a country should change its fundamental laws just to suit the needs of foreigners.

That may sound totally racist to some people, but let me explain it before you jump to conclusions:

If I were to go to Spain on Holiday, that's all well and fine, they accept me into their country so long as I don't do anything that breaks Spanish law, and that I don't out-stay my welcome (whatever the law inhibits).

But, if I were to go to Spain to live, then I should first learn how to speak Spanish. Next, I should adapt to their customs and not expect their customs to adapt to me. This includes expecting their government to change its traditions and laws in order to please me. I should be thankful they even allow me to be there, what position am I in to demand "equal rights"? It's already equal that I'm a citizen, I'm the one who chose to live there, remember? There's a difference between equality and privileges, where the government gives you the privilege of feeling more at home in their country by bending their laws and customs in order to better suit your desires.

Hopefully we don't end up like some Malaysia, where their entire government has changed, and become something different from its roots.

This is especially sad because countries lose their identity, their culture, and then the world becomes monotone and dull...

[MadduckUK]

AGAIN? didnt this happen a few months ago as well?

[j.o.s.h.1408]

imo im not in favour of this. we should not adopt any law from other religions imo. what do u guys think? its ok to adopt laws from other religions?

[Robscure]

imo im not in favour of this. we should not adopt any law from other religions imo. what do u guys think? its ok to adopt laws from other religions?

Religion is a personal thing, it shouldn't influence anyone but yourself, and it certainly shouldn't get mixed in with politics.

Unfortunately many people are very misguided and ignorant.

Live and let live...
Peace to all, I say.

I love this quote for obvious reasons:

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius

[Agent]

we should not adopt any law from other religions imo. what do u guys think? its ok to adopt laws from other religions?

We should not adopt law from any religion. Period.

If people are unable to follow their own religion without writing the rules of it into law, it just goes to show how dedicated they are to it.

[Robscure]

We should not adopt law from any religion. Period.

If people are unable to follow their own religion without writing the rules of it into law, it just goes to show how dedicated they are to it.

Agreed.

[iranu]

The link is from a story dated 14 Sept 2008. Already been discussed on Hexus.

[Robscure]

The link is from a story dated 14 Sept 2008. Already been discussed on Hexus.

Well it wasn't in the Question Time news section. A section that's very small. At least, as far as I'm aware.

[Saracen]

Well it wasn't in the Question Time news section. A section that's very small. At least, as far as I'm aware.

Erm ..... link

And it's not that small .... some 555 threads and nearly 18,000 posts. How big you you need?

I suspect that what's going on is that you're only seeing about 7 or 8 posts, in which case, it's those active in the last month. Question Time is sporadic. It gets intensive periods, then goes very quiet for a while.

But if you look at Question Time from the forum view when you can see a list of threads, and then look towards the bottom left of the page, you'll see a section headed Display Options, with three drop-down boxes :-

- Sorted By
- Sort Order
- From The

If the "From the" box says "last month" that'll be your problem. Change that to, say, 100 days and you'll see the Sharia law thread about a dozen threads down. Or, go into your UserCP and change the Default Thread Age Cut Off from "Forum Default" to something bigger, because forum default is "last month".

[Robscure]

Erm ..... link

And it's not that small .... some 555 threads and nearly 18,000 posts. How big you you need?

I suspect that what's going on is that you're only seeing about 7 or 8 posts, in which case, it's those active in the last month. Question Time is sporadic. It gets intensive periods, then goes very quiet for a while.

But if you look at Question Time from the forum view when you can see a list of threads, and then look towards the bottom left of the page, you'll see a section headed Display Options, with three drop-down boxes :-

- Sorted By
- Sort Order
- From The

If the "From the" box says "last month" that'll be your problem. Change that to, say, 100 days and you'll see the Sharia law thread about a dozen threads down. Or, go into your UserCP and change the Default Thread Age Cut Off from "Forum Default" to something bigger, because forum default is "last month".

lol well I'm new to these forums so I haven't figured my way around all of the sections>subsections>subsubsections yet

But thanks

[fuddam]

We should not adopt law from any religion. Period.

If people are unable to follow their own religion without writing the rules of it into law, it just goes to show how dedicated they are to it.

it's not that simple. It's not about writing the scripture directly into law, but how the scripture informs one's worldview, and the general mores of society, which in turns makes laws.

can't make laws devoid of religious influence, since people make the laws, and people have religious influences. most western law has a Christian basis, after all.

[TheAnimus]

But its fair to say it shouldn't do.

The problem with how Organised Religion (important distinction imo) forces people to suspend their own thought process, and we get people saying that the age of the earth for instance, is far less than we can see from carbon dating.

Anything that demands people to suspend critical analysis shouldn't come into law making.

An eye for an eye. No thanks.

[Sinizter]

WTF ? All for a minority ? Who have come here and should accept the prevailing laws in this country ?

[Robscure]

it's not that simple. It's not about writing the scripture directly into law, but how the scripture informs one's worldview, and the general mores of society, which in turns makes laws.

can't make laws devoid of religious influence, since people make the laws, and people have religious influences. most western law has a Christian basis, after all.

lol come on...

If the law is, "Do not steal from your neighbor" and just because that so happens to be a commandment in Judaic law, it can't be classified as a religious influence.

If the law says, "Cut the foreskin off of your children's male-member at birth, or else you goto prison," then that's religious influence...

lol...

[TeePee]

can't make laws devoid of religious influence, since people make the laws, and people have religious influences. most western law has a Christian basis, after all.

This is not exactly true. Most of western law has no basis in religion. To say laws against murder come from 'Do Not Kill' is an argument long completed. The boring parts of law like planning regs have no relevance to religion, of course.

What's left are simply a few controversial subjects. A great example is the 'Prop 8' controversy surrounding gay marriage in California. The gist being that homosexual couples are once again banned from having a religious ritual performed on them (which is required for several legal benefits) to bless their union, because the religion requires that they be put to death for wanting to be together.

This is a classic example of why religion and law should be separate. A 'Civil Union' should be available which (unlike currently) covers all legal benefits usually confered by marriage, and be available to any two or more people without descrimination. Each religion can then choose to have whatever ritual it likes for whatever group of people it likes, religions have always been allowed to descriminate.

Separate religion from law and every group should be happy.

Another example would be stem cell research, again separation of religion from law is necessary.

As for the religious court: Everyone should be subject to civil courts. If religious groups what to add additional rules and add aditional punishment to members of their sect, then that's up to them, and good luck. If christian churches did the same thing and followed the bible, there'd be a lot less christians!

[Robscure]

This is not exactly true. Most of western law has no basis in religion. To say laws against murder come from 'Do Not Kill' is an argument long completed. The boring parts of law like planning regs have no relevance to religion, of course.

What's left are simply a few controversial subjects. A great example is the 'Prop 8' controversy surrounding gay marriage in California. The gist being that homosexual couples are once again banned from having a religious ritual performed on them (which is required for several legal benefits) to bless their union, because the religion requires that they be put to death for wanting to be together.

This is a classic example of why religion and law should be separate. A 'Civil Union' should be available which (unlike currently) covers all legal benefits usually confered by marriage, and be available to any two or more people without descrimination. Each religion can then choose to have whatever ritual it likes for whatever group of people it likes, religions have always been allowed to descriminate.

Separate religion from law and every group should be happy.

Another example would be stem cell research, again separation of religion from law is necessary.

As for the religious court: Everyone should be subject to civil courts. If religious groups what to add additional rules and add aditional punishment to members of their sect, then that's up to them, and good luck. If christian churches did the same thing and followed the bible, there'd be a lot less christians!

Nice to see that we share the same opinion on this matter.