UK ID Cards - for or against?

[Konan555]

Sod that- I'm a Briton, this is my country, I'm not going to leave just because some totalitarian government has decided that I'm answerable to them.

At first I'd just refuse to have one. If it causes any more hassle I'll find somewhere to live where it won't.

I may be British by birth, but if the entire nation rolls over and gives in to ID cards I've got no particular reason to stay (might miss pork pies).

[RVF500]

I think that the nation is becoming more and more apathetic. The fuel protests that didn't materialise will simply say to the govt that they can do what they want and the nation will simply shrug and put up with it.

I personally intend to join the other 11 million Britons (as I understand it) who live outside the UK. In fact I'm actively working on that right now. Though I intend to make it permanent. The England I grew up in was a free place. Not sure where it went.

I wonder if we had a constitution the govt could pull some of the stunts it does? Not much point having one now because the people who draft it will be the scum bags holding the reigns of power now.

[G4Z]

I have my forms to renew already, I just have to get myself motivated to fill em in and get it done.

It will at least save me a few quid when it does run out and they force me to pay £80 additional for an ID card

[Taz]

After three defeats in the Lords yesterday, the government is still pressing ahead with the introduction of ID cards.

Full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4619218.stm

[johnny02004976]

After three defeats in the Lords yesterday, the government is still pressing ahead with the introduction of ID cards.

Whats the point in taking it to the House Of Lords if they ignore their decision anyway

G4Z i love the star wars gif - right click...save

[RVF500]

The Lords rejected the ban on hunting too. Blair shoved it through with the parliament act. Wonder if we are about to see the second airing of that act in?

[iranu]

You can now be arrested for any offence.

You have no right to refuse a dna test on arrest (and it's nigh on impossible to get it removed if you are not charged)

You will soon be guilty until you prove innocence for petty crimes (who decides what's petty) .i.e judged upon without going to court (unless you intend to plead not guilty).

You will soon be forced to carry id that contains personal biometric data.

Your movements in your car wil be tracked by roadside camera.

Your medical details will be put on a database (that won't be secure and will most likely be able to be accessed by government departments)

If this government gets it's way we will have lost our basic freedoms. Only when we list the policies that will effect us do we realise that we are going down the road of a police state. Id cards are merely one slice of the ever shortening cucumber. We must wake up.

A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." Thus spoke Zarathustra, (ch. The new Idol) Friedrich Nietzsche.

http://www.publicappeal.org/library/...stra/I_11.html

[yamangman]

Or indeed "Any nation that is willing to give a little liberty, to gain a little security, will deserve neither, and lose both".

[Trippledence]

Id rather my biomeric data is only stored in one place, and thats my body. The IDcard plans are some what OTT in feel, the cost is going to be hudge and I would doubt any positve effect on crime, nor the other things they claim to be the solution for.

[Konan555]

You have no right to refuse a dna test on arrest (and it's nigh on impossible to get it removed if you are not charged)

This is so they can keep their DNA database growing.

Now I can't see the harm in it if its sole use would be crime fighting, but I don't belive that'll be it for a second.

Have you had first hand experiance of the polices efforts at combating basic crime recently?

No DNA? No fingerprints? Not interested.

[shiato storm]

not read the rest of the thread but ID cards - expensive waste of resources. just deny immegration. the french have the right idea, I;m not racist but tbh if the government can't sort its own mess out why should already tax paying people have to pay more for them to keep tabs on all of us? no thanks.

[Konan555]

Have you any idea what Denying immegration would do to the economey?

[iranu]

^ would it improve your spelling?

[Konan555]

No.

Would it help you be any more insightful?

[Tabris]

Have you any idea what Denying immegration would do to the economey?

Less people who will work for less so there isn't as much money going back into the system as there is out, or the ratio at least is lower?

I also remembered that I wouldn't be able to skank child tickets on trains and buses if they forced ID cards.

[Steven W]

I'm definately gonna stand up against these I.D cards and any sort of micro-chipping.

They'll have to drag me to court. Free country my arse.