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About LinkBacksIt's pretty much all in the title. Currently Welsh and Scottish MP's can vote on English law and policy, and of course the opposite does not apply, quirk of devolution.
So should an English parliament be created?
It's pretty much all in the title. Currently Welsh and Scottish MP's can vote on English law and policy, and of course the opposite does not apply, quirk of devolution.
So should an English parliament be created?
This would lead to a federation of the UK. Don't we have enough layers of government and cost without adding another one ?
OTOH - I understand the feeling that we are not getting representation in our own 'country'.
Society's to blame,
Or possibly Atari.
Don't get me wrong, I think devolution was an awful idea, crafted to appeal to the lowest common denominator, even as someone living in Wales and enjoying the benefits of Plaid Cymru's "We'll spend what we like, screw Westminster" policies but I think it's here to stay. If so, fairs fair, England should get the same treatment.
No need for a new building or anything, just not ferrying a hundred or so MP's(at taxpayer expense) from Wales and Scotland down to London for some votes.
Sounds good to me, if its good enough for the Scots and the Welsh then we should all get the same deal..
The issue devolution raised certainly needs to be addressed, but I'm not in favour of having another whole load of politicians to do it.Originally Posted by chuckskull
Surely it'd be far simpler just to remove the ability of MPs for constituencies in devolved countries voting on or participating in debates on issues that are decided by the devolved government for their constituents. For instance, if tuition fees are decided by the Scottish government, Scottish MPs don't vote on tuition fees for England. And not just 'don't' vote, but can't.
Or better yet, do away with this "devolved" cobblers. In or out. If the Scots, or Welsh, or whomever want out, then do it properly. If not, join the rest of us.
And if Mr Salmon won't hold his referendum, how about the non-Scottish part of the UK holding one about separation from Scotland?
Personally, I'd rather we were united, but either get in or get out. Either way, shut the damn door, it's letting a draft in.
I'd vote Skortish Nationalist if I could. Ireland separated from the UK and we survived. We'd thrive without the Scottish Albatross around our neck.
An English parliament doesn't go far enough.
The English Parliament already exists where it's always been - at Westminster. Devolved Government is little more than glorified local authority which releases London from parochial issues.
Let sleeping dogs lie for gawd's sake; we can't afford a longer gravy train of politicians or the accommodation at prison.
That's the problem - it's not an English parliament, is it?
How would Scots react to matters that only affected them being voted on by English MPs? Oh yeah, they'd want devolution, Scottish matters for Scottish MPs. Well, just like them, I don't want any MP voting on a matter that affects me if it doesn't affect his constituents.
And while it's far from a scientific survey, every Scot I've spoken too agrees - an MP should only be able to vote on a matter if it affects his/her constituents. Otherwise, they has no business having a vote on it.
It's supposed to be a representative democracy, isn't it? Why the hell do we have decisions being made by people that don't represent those affected by their decisions? It's anti-democratic, even for the very misleading form of "democracy" we have.
Absolutely agree .... but the "West Lothian question" still needs to be answered..... we can't afford a longer gravy train of politicians or the accommodation at prison
without all the oil and gas money? scotland doesn't usually enter into wars, apart from fighting the english, so it would save a load on paying for weapons and crap and become a far richer country
Assuming it wanted to give up having an independent military at all, along with the job losses and base colours, and unemployment that implied. As I understand it, that's not even what the SNP are proposing, not least 'cos it'd probably cost them a lot of votes, especially from people in or near to (and dependent on) bases.
Besides, the Scots have a fiercely proud military history, and rightly so. I don't see them giving that up. Not without an .... erm, fight.
give them a bottle of scotlands national wine, buckfast, and they will fight anyone. no need for nukes and tanks and stuff. and they can use edinburghs tram to take them anywhere they are needed...Assuming it wanted to give up having an independent military at all, along with the job losses and base colours, and unemployment that implied. As I understand it, that's not even what the SNP are proposing, not least 'cos it'd probably cost them a lot of votes, especially from people in or near to (and dependent on) bases.
Besides, the Scots have a fiercely proud military history, and rightly so. I don't see them giving that up. Not without an .... erm, fight.
How come the English get to vote on anything that affects the true indigenous population of these islands? It should be for the Scots and Welsh to decide if England (the interloping gets) can have a Parliament. Oh, and who do you think is responsible for constructing our "democracy"?
umm the French?How come the English get to vote upon anything that affects the true indigenous population of these islands? It should be for the Scots and Welsh to decide if England (the interloping gets) can have a Parliament. Oh, and who do you think is responsible for constructing our "democracy"?
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This is bunny and friends. He is fed up waiting for everyone to help him out, and decided to help himself instead!
French, Romans, English...a bunch of foreigners imposing their institutionsumm the French?
Maybe.
Historical fact? Incidentally, I prefer a United Kingdom.
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