How CAN ANYONE BE that evil!.

[TeePee]

If the evidence is truly that weak, then it is a great miscarrige of justice that he has been convicted at all.

There is more evidence than that, because the majority of the jury must have been sane.

[nichomach]

If that were the case, if juries were always right, then there would never be any miscarriages of justice at all.

[Knoxville]

If and I do mean if the boy did commit the murder then he has probably got a mental problem of some sort and should be studied, not put to death.

Well, I don't know how much an ounce is now but I'm guessing that it's still at least £50? In which case he was supposedly smoking over £200 worth a week. Even if he was dealing, you've got to doubt the common sense of anyone who could believe that that was true.

Rich :¬)

A quarter is about £50 so he's gotta have been dealing to smoke that much, plus if he's smoking it as a spliffs thats nearly 4 days worth of none stop chain smoking. So unless hes breathing through a bong permanantly then someones twisting something.

[Betty_Swallocks]

Yes. If he's a psychotic as I believe he is then he didn't ask to be born with a disfunctional frontal cortex. Since we don't kill anybody else born with a defective brain I don't see why we should kill this guy (or any other psychotic).

So how is it more compassionate (for I assume that is your motivation) to lock him up for 30 years, in solitary confinement because he wouldn't last a month if he was in with the general prison population.

It would be a miserable existance for him, and in the end, when the bleeding heart liberals (with a small l) get their way and let him out he'll probably do something else just as evil.

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, by his deeds he has forfeited the right to live in society permanently, and having decided to exclude him permanently it is only reasonable to remove him from this existance and hope that there will be another life in which he can make amends.

I suppose you would prefer the "lock him up until he has got better" option and would then let him out.
Well, I for one don't believe that people get better from that kind of condition, they only learn to mask it and the risk of him reoffending is too great for that to be allowed to happen.

If you accept that he should be permanently excluded from society and should be locked up in a high security prison until he dies then (again in my opinion) that is a more cruel and unusual punishment (to borrow a phrase from the Americans) than it would be to peacefully deprive him of his life by means of a more painless process than that which he allowed that poor girl.

We don't hesitate to put down dangerous dogs. Why not even more dangerous people?

[G4Z]

Agreed,

As somebody who knows about these things, that is an impossible amount even if he smoked it pure every time and even then doing that would seriously hinder your abillity to have another one for a while.

[bouncin]

lol half a bar a week if it was green and he was on a 1 week bender i could beleive it

but a.) if it is green thats nearly £500 a week (doubt it )

b.) if its solid you can drop that too £125 a week for half a bar but he wouldnt be able to smoke it at the pace needed for more than 2 days

126 gram / 7 days = 18 gram a day (doesnt sound as much now)
now take into consideration 18 joints of green each day 1 pure spliff =1 gram for a heavy user. 2 king

not hard but solid euuuughh bongs never
spliffs possible but highly unlikely
space cakes 1 hour of eating 24 hours of mong

there is yet no evidence to prove marijuana damages the brain but im living proof heavy use can have an adverse effect on people i gave up 4 years ago and still suffer paranoia and panic attacks. And i truly believe marijuana lsd and use of extasy can give people a very wrong perseption of the world which could lead to them doing anything

If there was damage to the prefrontal cortex i agree he should be studied and at least have his brain pattern recorded under stress conditions. people with this problem tend to suffer no remorse such as ted bundy and arthur shawcross. so should never be released as they wont stop. But a proper justice does need to be served as defendants can claim damage to the prefrontal cortex as a very capable defence. And get (sometimes) more lenient sentences in mental institutions. but at the end of the day every murderer has a problem with their brain.

This subject goes far too deep for forums as stupid arguements can be bought up at any time. we just have to face these things will happen as we are all predators.

their are no right or wrong answers as all have different views

[Knoxville]

Its not the fact that the amount he smoked causing damage that I'm thinking of atm even though in those highly unlikely amounts it would probably cause some serious cases of paranoia and possible deppression, if the prosecution is claiming that to be fact (which imo it can't be or he'd never have been able to stand up long enough to commit murder) then they're being very ruthless in they're arguments and the jury (a slightly biased one at that) are more likely to buy into it.

Part of me almost wants to agree with nichomach (never thought I'd see the day), depressed "goth" kid with tendencies to self harm and spout overtly "satanic" slogans to shock and amaze do make wonderful suspects as has been seen several times before.

[bouncin]

But lets be honest im not meaning to offend any1 but the people who u just described are complete attention seekers. And by being so emmidiately draw attention to themselves lol.

And any1 in a serious enough condition to cause self harm shouldn't be out there tbh
and i dont mean lock em all up i just mean they should be getting treated for whats wrong with em. Im guessin u get to see a lot of folks like this where u work and understand that u know what ur talkin about as its part of ur job.

my previous post wasnt really aimed towards any1 in particular.

Smokin marijuana is no defense anyway he chose to do it. And if u realise theres something wrong with ya its surprisingly easy to give it up.

[RVF500]

From what little I read about this in the media the case against him didn't seem that strong. So I was a little surprised at the guilty verdict. Then again, I hadn't really been following it. As nicho has already said, there doesn't seem to be a lot in the way of material evidence against him. Perhaps the jury felt they had to do something and were swayed by the violence of the crime with the thought of no smoke without fire. I'm sure the police would have felt pressured to make a quick arrest too. Wouldn't be the first time. So an appeal won't surprise me.

Which is why I don't support the death penalty. Suppose he had been taken from the court and executed only to find on new evidence that he was innocent after all. The home office issues a pardon and everything is ok? Of course if there is a successful appeal then the real perpetrator needs to be found or the boy, if innocent would have to live with the stigma that his innocence wasn't proven beyond doubt.

Of course, if he is guilty then he should rot behind bars until he's as desperate to die as Liam Brady is. Then he too can be sedated in a cell with the light on 24 hours a day longing for the day to come when he doesn't wake up. Now that's a fella that's feeling punished.

[Rave]

So how is it more compassionate (for I assume that is your motivation) to lock him up for 30 years, in solitary confinement because he wouldn't last a month if he was in with the general prison population.

Well, he's still alive is why. If he wants to hang himself with his bedsheets then that's up to him, but it's not our right to make assumptions about whether another person would prefer to be alive or dead.

It would be a miserable existance for him, and in the end, when the bleeding heart liberals (with a small l)

Define a 'bleeding heart liberal' for me please? I'm always curious to know what they actually are.

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, by his deeds he has forfeited the right to live in society permanently, and having decided to exclude him permanently it is only reasonable to remove him from this existance and hope that there will be another life in which he can make amends.

Oh yeah, 'cos that's really likely.

I suppose you would prefer the "lock him up until he has got better" option and would then let him out. Well, I for one don't believe that people get better from that kind of condition, they only learn to mask it and the risk of him reoffending is too great for that to be allowed to happen.

Well are you a brain scientist or a psychologist? I'm not, so I don't know whether he can be cured. As far as I know damage to the frontal cortex of the brain cannot be cured in which case he shouldn't be let out. I have no problem with locking someone up permanently if they are dangerous.

If you accept that he should be permanently excluded from society and should be locked up in a high security prison until he dies then (again in my opinion) that is a more cruel and unusual punishment (to borrow a phrase from the Americans) than it would be to peacefully deprive him of his life by means of a more painless process than that which he allowed that poor girl.

Yeah, well that's your opinion. He may well have a different opinion on whether he'd like to live or die than you.

We don't hesitate to put down dangerous dogs. Why not even more dangerous people?

Um, because a dog is an animal? If you think people have no more rights than animals, then one of the (many) logical extensions of that argument is that cannibalism is acceptable.

[Stoo]

The other argument against the death penalty is that it's an easy out and the criminal never needs to deal with the consequences of his or her actions. (other than the fact that they're about to die, but then a person that would attach so little values to life would hardly be bothered by that..)

Besides, since when did an eye for an eye ever solve anything?

[Swafe]

Yeah, well that's your opinion. He may well have a different opinion on whether he'd like to live or die than you.

i think he gives up his human rights when he takes someone elses away, he doesnt deserve an opinion, but the sane people of this world who will do whatever they feel is the best

Um, because a dog is an animal? If you think people have no more rights than animals, then one of the (many) logical extensions of that argument is that cannibalism is acceptable.

were animals too arnt we ? we just dont like to think we are just because were move intelligent than most

[Swafe]

as for the weed, its either hogwash, or he was dealing it too his mates too

4 ounces down my me would set you back near enuff 400 quid - ok, now thats 32 1/8ths worth....and from the average 1/8th we normally get about 10 spliffs? thats 320 spliffs in a week....no chance

[Knoxville]

i think he gives up his human rights when he takes someone elses away, he doesnt deserve an opinion, but the sane people of this world who will do whatever they feel is the best

Now that I agree with people who willingly and knowingly take anothers life don't deserve to be treated the same as those who abide by the law, on a side note did anyone else read about Peter Sutcliffe being taken to to visit the area where his fathers ashes were scattered this week?, The government spent god knows how much and put lives in danger because "He was starting to get depressed".

Now sorry if this sounds insensitive but the man killed 13 women in cold blood, he doesn't deserve to see the light of day again let alone go off on a day trip. He was quoted as saying "I just want closure", He obviously doesn't think the familys of those he killed would like closure, would like to say farewell to their daughters/sisters/girlfriends one last time.

Its disgusting imo

[Russ]

I don't understand how anyone can read that and not agree with capital punishment. He does not deserve to live. Simple as that.

I agree with you 200%

i mean, they have capital punishment in the US and theref or the jails are empty and people give you flowers for walking down the street

point made?

[Betty_Swallocks]