What Laws would you like to see?

[5lab]

i think the dole should be stopped after 2 months - and base-pay work schemes (with higher rates of pay than the dole, but not by a huge amount) provided to keep people busy.. i agree it can realistically take more than 2 months to find a job, but no harm in you doing some work in that time

i agree with the national service thing - but maybe use the larger army to do more projects in the country - building stuff for charities etc.. i think 18-19 would be a good age, it'd help education imo, rather than hinder it..

seriously disagree on the guns point, tazers are fine, or beanbag guns, but not propper ones. only a matter of time till they go wrong :S

i personally think drinking on the streets is fine in moderation - we have a massive beach here (brighton) and drinking there with a good bonfire going is just ace..

[vincent]

the main reason i suggested National Service is that

you look inside the average UK town or City- you'll have at least 20+ Thug chavs/chavettes who are ready to kick off...... the reason National service could work is that when these thugs turn 18 - they do something good for the country rather than become the latest local news because they did a arson attack on a telephone box or messed around with fireworks...

It could change their attitude towards others -if not then at least they did soemthing rather than Dole Doss around for a few years

If National service is brought it like aparty is saying to do so [cant remember which party exactly either Lib Dem or Conserv] Yeh sure their aint any wars at the ready and we all kno w what the consequences of war are- but view it from a general perspective- we're a Military ready country whos recruiting constantly and training 18+ people chancing if a WW erupts....

Also their has been some rather good disadvantages about bringing guns to police- which i seem to disagree now...... that bringign guns to the Police could start a Gun crime revolution or a Gun Revolution state......

But answer this question- what would happen if a Policeman got confused with a suspect because he was running through a busy pavement- he drew his taser and fired and it latched onto a OAP with a Heart condition- and that OAP died...... what would happen next? [ i know the odds of this happening are high but all situations should be looked into really....]

Also- this stuff about if you behave well in Jail you get out early- thats complete dribble.... the law should say whatever sentence you are given -thats the time you have to do Period- no letitng you out early cos you did well in Jail....If you break the law you do the time not if you break the law you in the Nick but if u behave well you'll be out sooner...

oh and 5Lab- if you have been unemployed for 6 months whiel claiming Benefits -you go to the New Deal - they send you on training schemes to help you get experience and the necessary training you need [ Placements, NVQ training,H&S stuff,Manual Handling,First Aid] but i would like to see a rise in that area due to the fact that when you go on your placement- you work a 37 hours week shift but get paid £90 a fortnight....i know cos i did it lol....
theres also- theres a step up from working the 37 hour week only getting £90 a fortnight- if you impress your placement employer they'll eithertake you on or put you on whats called the ILM programme- the ILM [dont ask what it means] means that your still on your placement- but your getting the Basic Rate from the firm-the idea is for you to gain more experience at the sametime -you still do job search....

[badass]

Reading this thread, Ghengis Khan would be proud of you lot

[dkmech]

What about all the normal people being locked up with chavs for a year? You could have some sort of social service as part of school curriculum, but national service is unlikely to achieve a lot of the things you propose, apart from maybe making people a bit fitter.

[RedPutty]

By the time they are 18 they will be set in their ways, joining the army will only make them think they are even 'arder. I also don't want our "ambassadors" to be chavs I would like a higher standard.

If you want to instill a work ethic just make working mandatory, don't dole out money to people. If they can't find a job find something for them even if it is "make work".

What the chavs are really missing is education and aspirations.

[vincent]

i agree with you Red to a certain- but its like anything there's always advantages and disadvantages to a action


The Chavs arent missing education and Aspirations-The Chavs i know [and since i used 2 live on a really rough estate -nearly like Moorside and Blackley in Manny] Chavs need disaplin- the reason they become thugs is partial the parents fault and partial their mates fault and it falls into the "Teenager Angst" we all get or had when we are a teen.

Also -Work is made mandatory in a sense- because for a person to live life in reality rather than in their own little world- you have to get a job and work- Now im unemployed myself- ive had temp jobs,blown me chances of becoming a Full Time Receptionist due to some health problems [ me H. Pylori] and im currently seeking work to the best of my ability

Me friends parents admit that its alot harder these days to actaully get a job than it was 20 or 30 years ago..... But i dont know these kind of "Dole Moles" people who dont do jobsearch- who just wanan get their money for nothing- their the kinda people who need pushing- all they need is motivation.....

[Mike Fishcake]

I'd like to see a law where people are forced to read up on laws before criticising them for policies that they don't actually support ;-)

[Rhyth]

Bit tight on time right now but thought I'd throw it in. What are peoples thoughts on the death penalty being enforced in this country as regards certain extreme cases with absoloute, implicit proof of guilt?
Links

http://www.richard.clark32.btinterne.../thoughts.html

[Taz]

No, capital punishment is uncivilised to the extreme and barbaric. The whole point of developing civilisation is that ability to rationalise and step up from base and Neanderthal behaviour.

Perhaps more should be done to build a society in which moral values and ethics are instilled at a young age. Then, hopefully, people will grow up with less hate and propensity to violence. I know that sounds idyllic but we spend a lot of time and effort on tackling the symptoms of deep-rooted problems rather than the root causes.

[TeePee]

Also -Work is made mandatory in a sense- because for a person to live life in reality rather than in their own little world- you have to get a job and work- Now im unemployed myself- ive had temp jobs,blown me chances of becoming a Full Time Receptionist due to some health problems [ me H. Pylori] and im currently seeking work to the best of my ability

Why is work mandatory? You are unemployed and it sounds like you have been for a while, and yet you have an Athlon 64.
To be fair, I don't know your situation, and you'll probably reply that it was an xmas present from your rich parents or similar. My point is that it is perfectly possible to survive only on unemployment benefit for long periods of time, and that is a bad thing(tm).

[DavidM]

Really? I thought they were supposed to incapacitate people?

I think the theory is that someone injured can still use a weapon/trigger a bomb/whatever

[Mike Fishcake]

Bit tight on time right now but thought I'd throw it in. What are peoples thoughts on the death penalty being enforced in this country as regards certain extreme cases with absoloute, implicit proof of guilt?
Links

http://www.richard.clark32.btinterne.../thoughts.html

In theory, there is always absolute, implicit proof of guilt when someone is thrown in jail.

This obviously doesn't work.

[Ramedge]

I had to laugh when i saw "Bring back national service for 16-21 year olds"
dont be silly, the way it works now is fine if you want to join the army when your 16 you can.
Alot of people wouldnt want to, including me.

Sorry but hearing things like that really pisses me off. I bet who ever suggested that must be alot older than 21.
A law like that just is not needed i cant emphasize how much of a crap idea i think that is.

/me is outraged.

[Rhyth]

Originally Posted by Mike Fishcake: In theory, there is always absolute, implicit proof of guilt when someone is thrown in jail.

This obviously doesn't work.

My words:

as regards certain extreme cases

Extreme in the sense of evidence and crime.
I'm not putting an argument accross more a topic, I understand what you mean though

[vincent]

Why is work mandatory? You are unemployed and it sounds like you have been for a while, and yet you have an Athlon 64.
To be fair, I don't know your situation, and you'll probably reply that it was an xmas present from your rich parents or similar. My point is that it is perfectly possible to survive only on unemployment benefit for long periods of time, and that is a bad thing(tm).

i have a Athlon 64 - because when i started my Business admin ILM- i got basic wages from the company- which was around £700 a month- so i built my own pc

Work is Mandatory because when you coem off the Dole and get a FT job- you realise how crap the money was and realise how the hell you survived on that.... so you think right i'm gonna do my best in this job...Unlucky for me- i've had health problems and temp xmas contracts

Q- is £90 a fortnight enough to feed yourself,pay rent,pay bills, council tax/water rates ?
A-No

ROFL about the rich parents btw- i was born and raised properly into Reality- when i was 13- my mum said from now on u can cook,clean and manage yourself - and i did....

Also -The thing is- is that if your on the Dole -the imagery of it is that your seen as very Bone Idol- this is because all the gits who refuse to do nothing....... i dont udnerstand how them kidn of peopel can live on £90 a fortnight......

[And yes i do jobsearch- too much cos otherwise i'll get kicked out of me mates house]

The death penalty is a No go -cos whats the betting you get Human Rights activists

[5lab]

its easy to live on £90 a fortnight if you are not paying rent or bills - which for real dole-livers (rather than those just on temporarily) is often the case..