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    Re: Samsung Galaxy S

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyCr15 View Post
    No, I just wont bother.

    I thought I've provided useful info to you guys, I didn't realise it had to be fresh and original on this forum. It certainly seems an odd way to do it, you would prefer I copied and pasted a huge big review into one of these posts?

    Nevermind.

    Btw Finlay, use a quote button. I assume the response is to me and if it is, considering your replying 2 weeks since I linked to something and 6 posts later (which, is an odd definition of 'spamming' you have) it might help us understand what you're talking about. I'm still not totally sure what your talking about. Questionable items?
    Our rules have prohibited promoting your own site for many year. I know that, because I wrote them. See here

    The site you link too certainly appears to be your own, and in any event, it is certainly commercial, or has commercial aspects.

    If you wish to promote your own site, at the very least, as per the rules, you need to contact HEXUS for permission, and as the site has commercial aspects, my reply would be to refer you to the business people at HEXUS, as per the link in our rules. What they would say, I don't know.

    However, as for providing links, had anyone not involved with the site done it, it would be different. We have also been ignoring the links in your sig. But when you provide a link on our site that takes visitor to your site in order to read the information, we see that as taken people from us to you.

    "Spamming" comes in a variety of shapes and sizes, and what you're doing is certainly not the form we usually see. If it was, we'd simply have banned the account .... which is after all what the rules say we will do for unapproved commercial posts. But that's not the case here, and the line is rather greyer. But "spamming" is the term we use in the rules to cover unapproved commercial "pimping", and without getting pedantic over descriptions in the rules, it'll do.

    Posting your full review isn't exactly a massive job. I reckon it would take me a couple of minutes to do it. Given the sig links, it's not exactly difficult for anyone that wants to to follow up on the rest of the site. But, if you "won't bother" to do that, it does rather seem that the objective wasn't so much to provide useful information to our members but to attract site visitors.

    Andy, HEXUS has been doing this for many years. We're a decent size and we get a lot of people seeking to gain advantage from that, some in a fairly small way, as you did, and some in a much more overt and obnoxious fashion. It's a spectrum .... and we have to draw a line somewhere. Where we draw it is when you post that the review is coming, then post again that it's there, and draw people away from this site merely to get at the information. It's not a courteous way to behave on a site, especially when it's clearly prohibited in our rules.

    Andy, think on this.

    I started a digital photography site with a friend some years ago. It's still going and I'm still involved with it. It does not have any commercial aspects, and I do have permission from this site's owner to "pimp" it. But do you see me doing it? The link is not in my sig, nor my profile. I post on our digital photography forum here, but very rarely do I mention that other site. Some people here here know about it (and some are members), but I'd bet a lot do not. Why? Because I don't see it as courteous to "pimp" even my own site, despite permission to do so.

    There's a line, Andy ... and taking visitors away from here to your own site in that way crosses it, I'm afraid.

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    Re: Samsung Galaxy S

    Of course I understand you have rules and it is my responsibility to know them, which I did not. My apologies on this. I have removed the link from my sig.

    By commercial, I assume you refer to the adverts on the site. Again, I understand this. They are not ads I want, we are not looking to make money, for some reason our web designer seems adamant we should have them... I do not have the knowledge to remove them myself, so for now we're stuck with them.

    All that upset me was I have been trying to help people enjoy and get the most from their Android devices and it is being implied, or said, that I'm looking to make financial gain from Hexus, which simply isn't true. Of course it's good for me if I have more visitors to my site and to be honest I've never seen it as 'taking' which would infer they leave this site, technically, until they are taken back... which I don't believe to be the case. In my browser at least, if you click one of my links, it opens in a new tab, I don't even leave Hexus in the first place.

    The only way I hope to 'profit' from my site is if we get big enough that companies will send me devices to review, so I get to play with more gadgets

    I understand you have rules, I understand you maybe overlooked them for a while as I hope you see I was trying to contribute to your members rather than profit from them.

    Anyway, sig adjusted, I'll leave you be. Thank you.

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    Re: Samsung Galaxy S

    I wasn't actually expecting the sig to be removed, Andy. It's part of that grey area. If I wanted it removed, I could have done it for you.

    By commercial, I was referring to the links to Amazon in the "shop" section, where you list products and prices.

    I wasn't suggesting that you make financial gain from Hexus, no, but that your site appears to have commercial elements, and that probably the most common form of web marketing for small or startup sites is to do what is tantamount to advertising on bigger established ones. Any site is successful dependent on visitor throughout, and stickiness, and to get users to stick, you have to get them to visit. And it's a numbers game, at least in part.

    We see a spectrum of "pimping" and "spamming". Some we ignore, like a personal project site from a member. Some, we deleted and ban the poster on the spot, like lists of dollar-priced cameras and phones. And there's a broad spectrum in-between.

    You fall between those two extremes. Clearly, you're a constructive member not just here to pimp your site, If you were, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But, all the appearances of your site is that it's a bit more than a purely personal hobby site. But we can only judge by what we see when we look at the site, which is precisely why we require people to get permission to promote their site. That way, we get to ask questions, and we avoid misunderstandings. Either you'd get told "yes", in which case there's no problem, or you'd get told "no", in which case you'd know where you stood, or you'd get referred to the advertising department and it's our of forum mod's hands. But when posts just appear without that discussion, all we can do is call it how we see it. That's what we've got here.

    We get a LOT of people trying to take advantage. Some are pretty subtle, and some overtly blatant. The latter are easy to deal with, but the forker is a much greyer area, and much harder to judge. Hence the requirement for permission.

    Andy, I do see you were trying to provide help. That's obvious from the post count. That's why the sig link wasn't removed. It's hard to give a cut and dried definition of what we do in this situation. It's more about a judgement of how far to let something go.

    Strictly speaking, if I were to post "great review of XYZ product on somesite.com", that'd be fine .... unless I owned (or worked for/was involved with) somesite.com. But as soon as something starts taking people away from here merely to read the info, we start looking at the nature of the link. And then it's a judgement call.

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    Are we still talking about the Samsung Galaxy S or a lovers tiff? I am confused

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    Re: Samsung Galaxy S

    Tbh, although Andy's posts of his website is borderline spam, I generally do find the content interesting and very relevant to the threads he posts in. I suggest that he should be given permission to post his youtube video links (and can link to his site in the youtube comments).

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    Re: Samsung Galaxy S

    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    Tbh, although Andy's posts of his website is borderline spam, I generally do find the content interesting and very relevant to the threads he posts in. I suggest that he should be given permission to post his youtube video links (and can link to his site in the youtube comments).
    I second this motion, his links were very interesting.

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