http://arstechnica.com/journals/micr...s/2005/8/4/876
Even though 2000 is now near the end of its lifecycle and in the "extended support" phase many businesses and users prefer 2000 over XP. I wonder how many machines out there are using 2000 as this is a bit of a big flaw that can comprimise *any* system and as yet theres no patch out for this "vulnerability"
eeye security are keeping as much as they can under wraps to safeguard safety.
security through obscurity, well THAT's gonna work
otherwise known as the "la la la la i can't hear you" approach to security
Untill this is fixed, I will be sitting in the corner over here
Hehe - I do almost everything in Debian now i.e. most things that aren't games, so even if Windows 2000 goes kaput, I'll be able to post here! I've just been playing with Unison, which allows you to synchronise your files between computers. It works very well!Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|
Untill this is fixed, I will be sitting in the corner over here
"Well, there was your Uncle Tiberius who died wrapped in cabbage leaves but we assumed that was a freak accident."
Glad we've phased all of our 2k workstations out now. After the amount of time it took us to clean the last lot of 2k specific viruses out, most people realised XP was safer (just)
No linux is not a viable option for a corp environment workstation, no matter what people tell me.
*sigh* @ OOBSers
And how is xp safer than 2k??!?!?!!!???
The example I was talking about was when a virus hit all our 2k machines, and none of the XP ones. Everyone who was on 2k had no network access (security precaution) until we got round and removed the virus, everyone on XP was fine. The staff realised that XP didn't get hit and that they got inconvenienced because of their older OS, and so we upgraded them all then.
XP is still being supported by MS, and has more regular updates. Not to mention software compatability. 2k is currently in extended support, and so will be phased out way before XP will.
Also having all your machines running the same OS makes building a GP for deployment much easier!
Remember I am talking about a corp environment here, which is a LOT different to how you use your computer at home.
Last edited by Atomic; 09-08-2005 at 10:44 AM.
Win2k server > xp any day especially in a server room environment. Server environments are likely to be locked away from internal and external users with firewalls and ACL's.
Very few viruses can breach well run security. Linux is a viable alternative especially for web servers. But i'll agree with you that some things, like my telephone systems are much more suited to Windows, especially with the things like exchange integration we do.
Xp is for desktops, Win2k/2k3 for servers.
TiG
-- Hexus Meets Rock! --
Windows 2000 is my fave OS
I will continue using it, if it was realised by hackers, M$ would be doing something about and trying to fix it.
I have had very little trouble with this OS, and is much nicer, and cleaner than XP
Will the download updates still be available for download even afte M$ stop their support? Or is it possible to get a CD with all the latest updates on to update the PC as soon as i install it? So far i have the SP4 disk, thats all
Ian
Mac fancier > white macbook base spec .................. CS: muddyfirebang
If that was the case then it shows the 2k installs were not setup properly.
The users do not need to realise anything, wheres the IT staff?
Its in extended support. Updates will be available from windows update site for another 5? years. They are still fixing security problems as slowley as they always have.
The differences between the os's are very small, 2k just has less stuff you will never use..
Last edited by SilentDeath; 09-08-2005 at 11:12 AM.
2k workstation on the other hand is the devil.
They were setup fine, if MS chooses not to patch a vunrability quick enough and there are no virus definitions available then there is nothing we can do about it.
We get hit by the major viruses within a few hrs of them being released, it is one of the problems with working in such a diverse field such as university research because we cannot lock PCs down due to the nature of the work they are doing. (and the fact that we have a thousands of virus-ridden students laptops on the network too, prob main reason we get hit badly by virus outbreaks)
In a perfect world I would have full control over all the users PCs, unfortunatly it is not. Like I said due to the nature of the work we do it would be impossible for me to learn exactly what every single program we use does and how it works to be able to build a workable restricted policy.
One other problem is I do not have a full say on what goes on with a users (faulty/researchers/postgrads) PCs because they are owned by the people funding the research. I can advise them on what they should do, but if they are set in their ways I have to manage the best I can.
You don't realise what its like until you've worked in a pressured IT environment. Things dont happen like they do on your home PC!!!!!
Last edited by Atomic; 09-08-2005 at 11:43 AM.
the plight of a network admin
I hear ya. Nothing more irritating than hard headed users. It's even worse when you've no option but to accomdate them.
Ive never worked in IT, but Ive worked with staff in what was for them a pressured environment...
What about the unpatched bugs - there are plenty in both..
University/reseach as you describe is not what i would call a corp environment... more like large-networked-home environment if the user has complete control of the security applyed to their pc's.
Unless the users know how to prevent viruses in this sort of environment (preferably without the aid of AV) then theres nothing you can do....
Since SP2 and Viruscan v8 have been deployed on our XP machines, we've had almost no problems. 2k still gets infected.
Trust me its nothing like a home environment! It is corp IT, even though we are mostly education a large proportion of our research is funded by big companies.
University is a completely different environment to corp IT tho, I've seen and been involved in helping work against different virus outbreaks to know that different companies take different approaches.
University projects never usually need to maintain 24/7 low uptime stats which have to be met by contracts, and if so the number of machines in that state will be low compared to the corp environments i'm used to. Certainly i doubt they have the penalty clauses.
Most of the patching of systems I get involved in has to be done out of hours, most of the patches need to be checked out before being patched for fear of the patch breaking something.
Fixed Uni machines are fine i take it, easy to control. User machines should be subject to AUP?, i had to sign one at Kent Uni, part of my agreement to be allowed on campus network. (think they had to have that for SuperJanet licence too)
I'm suprised that you complain about viruses tho?, as that surely is more to do with the virus scanner than the OS.
I think you have a pretty special case there tho Atomic. The diversity is that problem.
TiG
-- Hexus Meets Rock! --
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
LinkBack URL
About LinkBacks
Reply With Quote
