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About LinkBacksComparatively speaking it's hard to tell, your photo doesn't give you much clue as to your age, I've not reached 30 yet, but most mornings I feel like I'm pushing 60!Originally Posted by Jiff Lemon
Comparatively speaking it's hard to tell, your photo doesn't give you much clue as to your age, I've not reached 30 yet, but most mornings I feel like I'm pushing 60!
Well done dude, keep it up. One of the most important things is getting a breakfast. You mentioned that you haven't been eating breakfasts and that is the no.1 way to lose weight. So eating a full breakfast will really help you because you're replenishing your energy stores which were drained overnight. What I find useful is always having a snack with me, such as a bag of nuts. You'll be surprised how much you eat (almost unintentionally) and it'll really help you stack on the protein and fat that you need.
Ah, well I'm pushing the very wrong side of 30! Used to be able to eat what the hell I liked and never gain an ounce. Went passed 30 and suddenly discovered my once 30" waist had grown to a 36" one!
Been training for 4 years now, weight remains between 70-74kg's, waist is back down to a 31" one and I'm fitter, leaner and stronger than I've ever been. Just wish I'd have done it about 20 years earlier!
Yup, sleeping better sounds positive! When do you do your training? First thing in the morning? Lunchtime? Evenings? Oh and when those scales arrive, weigh your bar!
i do my training in the evening, i work pretty early shifts so wouldnt be able to train untill after 2 each day
im intent on buying some tomoz,
ive got to ask, but do you have a before and after photo??
It was so small that mine wouldn't fit into it
Afraid not - again with hindsight something I wish I'd done; I did however, keep a pair of my "fat" jeans. If I put them on now I can comfortably slide an arm down the side of my waist and into the trouser leg.
Thats why I said to take measurements. You may not notice the changes in your body (I didn't for a long while, friends did), however, having a baseline you can compare them to will give you motivation when you plateu.
lol well ive noticed that this year ive got an increase in "breast" tissue haha, honestly though i really have, think its just down to the lifting at work mind
It was so small that mine wouldn't fit into it
This thread makes me cringe a little if i am honest (the same way tech threads on health & fitness forums make ne cringe). Bread, pasta, bagels (wholewheat or not) in consecutive meals is not healthy (unless you are carb loading or running half marathon every other day).
Razer your diet sucks, do some research before you get any more bad habits. look on the muscletalk forums (it's like hexus but for bodybuilding)
hardware guru = person with knowledge of diet : does not compute
body builder = tech knowledge : does not compute
hardware forum = member of staff, games guru, and presenter previous head chef of world famous health resort : does not... oh..hold on.... DOES compute
pc and console gamers = body builder with vast food knowledge : does not... oh hold on... DOES compute.
Bread for breakfast, pasta for lunch.... bagels for tea.... quite normal tbh
first part I agree with. Unless you make your own pork pies with nowt but pork and quality pastry... they're baaaaaad news. Get some fruit and veg man,.....you'l get scurvy
second part.... disagree
the dude wants to put on some tone and weight.. not become Arnie.
SiM... I'm suprised at your lack of self control on this subject. The dude is 8.5 stone, 28" waist and looking to bulk up a tad. Diet IS first... you're right, his diet IS suspect.. but not for eating toast, pasta and bagels!
Hehe zak
Wheat, wheat and wheat, where is the "balanced" diet in that?
Wheat contains little nutrients it is just empty carbs and incomplete protein (gluten). The little amount of nutrients that wheat does have is not bioavailable because the anti-nutrient block absorption (google phytic acid for example).
(Wheat is bad but you can do a lot worse, so IMO it's ok to have a couple of slices of bread a day, but 3x is ridiculous)
It is easy for him to put on muscle in his current state (young), it is easier for him to put on fat. Once he has put on the fat, it will be hard to get rid of it. I am not telling him to become pro bodybuilder, there are loads of amateur internet gym nerds (like me).
He can bulk up by eating good quality food. Better for his health in general and better for his goals, assuming he wants to put on good quality weight and not just 100% fat.
Not sure how good his training is, but he is still not eating enough calories even if you include the pork pies.
If you don't know what is good to eat and what isn't I suggest you get this book:
The 150 Healthiest Foods on Earth: The Surprising, Unbiased Truth About What You Should Eat and Why
It will save you hours of internet research.
Just like you expect the guys who have spent hours reading up about CPUs and motherboards etc to know all the ins and outs of tech stuff, you have to respect that the people who have spent hours researching nutrition know their stuff better than you (which is why I suggested a more specialised forum).
Last edited by SiM; 02-06-2010 at 11:15 PM.
ok...i know my diet sucksbut whats a man to do if he has no idea what to get...lol its wholemeal bread if that helps? and i do eat some chicken...sometimes, oh and fish fingers/fishcakes, not the best stuff but still,
sim if you do fancy helping out abit, could you give me a link to a site forum which will help with my diet? ive tryed reading books but they dont really help as im not the greatest cook! so i suppose i could learn yes but i need to start basic first...
It was so small that mine wouldn't fit into it
To start with the word “diet” has four letters in it and should be treated as such, i.e. a dirty word. Going on a diet is about a useful as giving a diesel car a tank of high grade octane fuel now and again and probably just as damaging. Secondly, protein shakes and all the rest of the gym nutrition paraphernalia are to bodybuilding what anti ageing creams are to women’s beauty, an expensive waste of time. Eating a balanced and varied range of foods is more than adequate to cover the nutritional requirements of anyone bar serious athletes.
That said I am aware it is difficult for the man in the street to know what actually constitutes healthy eating with the number of scare stories, spurious claims and misleading marketing going on all the time. I have a degree in Food Science (including nutrition), have worked in the food industry for 20years, played sport / kept fit (including weights) for just as long and even I have trouble sometimes keeping up with it all. However, I can offer a few handy tips;
1. If like me you work days and train in the evening then eating glycemically works wonders. Essentially you swap complex carbs (rice / pasta) for simple ones (fruit / veg) over the course of the day. Additionally try to avoid eating bread / pasta etc. after 4pm, as it is likely to be stored up as fat with your body using easier sources to replenish muscular energy stores.
2. Don’t eat big meals after drinking alcohol, say more than 2 units. Alcohol is a primary metabolite, which means that your body will use it for energy in preference to anything else in your system. So everything else just gets sent to storage, i.e. fat.
3. Just because it has a different name doesn’t’ mean it’s nutritionally different. As SiM pointed out breakfast cereals, pasta and pasta all contain wheat as a carbohydrate. So learn to read ingredient labels, in many ways they’re more important than the nutritional information.
4. Five a day isn’t enough, so if you have to snack eat fruit and veg instead of anything else. I eat celery / broccoli etc. like its going out of fashion if I get the munchies.
5. Little and often is better than a lot at once, with lunch being the biggest meal followed by breakfast and then dinner.
6. Just because we are made of red meat doesn’t’ mean that should get all your protein that way. In reality the majority should come from other sources such as fish, white meat, nuts etc. In addition, eating loads of it at once is not a good idea, annoying really as I love a nice big raw steak. Again a little and often applies.
As and when I have more time I’ll add in some more, but if there is anything specific feel free to ask.
If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"
Jiff Lemon (03-06-2010),razer121 (03-06-2010),Zak33 (03-06-2010)
razer121 - I've nothing 'useful' to add from a weight training perspective.
However, I'm in a similar situation to you - I'm 20, and I'm a bit of a stick. Reasonably fit, but not hugely - one could always do better!
When funds allow, I'm going to join a gym and start trying to bulk up a bit. I shall be following your progress with interest....
Hope if goes well for you!
"If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much room!"
- me, 2005
razer121 (03-06-2010)
SiM... glad you're back to your normal posting ways.... much better post
@razer.... serious sam knows... do as he says.
this is an awful lot to take in
It was so small that mine wouldn't fit into it
I got about halfway down this thread. I've never made any effort at all to eat healthily. Barely a single vegetable passed my lips for the four years I lived on my own. I'm a bit better now my wife cooks them for me, but not much. And I've never been fat.
When I started doing Stronglifts 5x5 last year I just augmented my regular (or more precisely, highly irregular) diet with, say, a pound of fried Sainsbury's Basics mince (97p), or a couple of extra scoth eggs and a pint of full fat milk. I put on about 20 pounds in 4 months and got much stronger, and noticeably more muscular.
I just started again last week, then ricked my back.
I'm 31 this month, BTW.
im impressedI got about halfway down this thread. I've never made any effort at all to eat healthily. Barely a single vegetable passed my lips for the four years I lived on my own. I'm a bit better now my wife cooks them for me, but not much. And I've never been fat.
When I started doing Stronglifts 5x5 last year I just augmented my regular (or more precisely, highly irregular) diet with, say, a pound of fried Sainsbury's Basics mince (97p), or a couple of extra scoth eggs and a pint of full fat milk. I put on about 20 pounds in 4 months and got much stronger, and noticeably more muscular.
I just started again last week, then ricked my back
I'm 31 this month, BTW.but id still prefer a decent diet anyway, would mean i get to have a healthy lifesylte AND live longer
got to ask, do you have a before and after?
It was so small that mine wouldn't fit into it
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