Apple have gone Intel!!!

[Oakey]

It's your thread, least you can do is read it

[Xaneden]

Although I'm a 'supporter' of Intel, I do like some of AMD's stuff, and some of Apple's stuff. I've got to say, this is going to take that certain unique... somewhat 'made by us' feel from the Mac. I know IBM made the G5, but still, it felt uniquely Apple.

This is a sad day for those loons which shave Apple logos into their hair

[Stoo]

Oakey: Lose the attitude.

It's a discussion forum, people are free to post their opinions, even if you've "already covered it".

Your entire argument against is it just based on losing hardware sales and piracy. That doesn't really hold up - you've already mentioned the corporate market, imagine all those miriad Dell boxes sitting out there in CorporateWorld, which could be swapped over to OSX with the minimum of fuss, likewise all those expensive servers out there, swapped over to OSX server.

So their market at the moment is selling niche hardware for niche prices (something that Dell has announced that it is also going to do), but Steve Jobs absolutely wants to cut into Microsoft's market share, and you're not going to do that by selling expensive hardware to the top 1-3% of the market.

To attack that market share Macs simply have to be cheaper, hence the launch of the Mac Mini, aimed solely at getting people to switch from Windows to OSX, and once you get into that high volume market you find that your margins are *very* tight.

None of this will stop Apple selling their high-end hardware (The existence of Sav-Row, alienware, etc etc, proves that this market is open), as Apple's "cool" factor is a massive intangible asset that the likes of Microsoft would kill for.

It merely opens up the way for far greater software sales (PearPC has already shown that people are willing to pay for OSX as a software only product), and that's not just OSX, but also iLife, iWork, and all the other *fantastic* software they already produce.

They may not go into it immediately (Stepping on Microsoft's toes too hard while they still produce a lot of software for your platform isn't the best idea in the world), but eventually I feel the market is just going to be too tempting to ignore, especially if Apple can create a Microsoft Office beating product and go after the corporate sector more aggresively.

[Oakey]

Oakey: Lose the attitude.

It's a discussion forum, people are free to post their opinions, even if you've "already covered it".

Your entire argument against is it just based on losing hardware sales and piracy. That doesn't really hold up - you've already mentioned the corporate market, imagine all those miriad Dell boxes sitting out there in CorporateWorld, which could be swapped over to OSX with the minimum of fuss, likewise all those expensive servers out there, swapped over to OSX server.

So their market at the moment is selling niche hardware for niche prices (something that Dell has announced that it is also going to do), but Steve Jobs absolutely wants to cut into Microsoft's market share, and you're not going to do that by selling expensive hardware to the top 1-3% of the market.

To attack that market share Macs simply have to be cheaper, hence the launch of the Mac Mini, aimed solely at getting people to switch from Windows to OSX, and once you get into that high volume market you find that your margins are *very* tight.

None of this will stop Apple selling their high-end hardware (The existence of Sav-Row, alienware, etc etc, proves that this market is open), as Apple's "cool" factor is a massive intangible asset that the likes of Microsoft would kill for.

It merely opens up the way for far greater software sales (PearPC has already shown that people are willing to pay for OSX as a software only product), and that's not just OSX, but also iLife, iWork, and all the other *fantastic* software they already produce.

They may not go into it immediately (Stepping on Microsoft's toes too hard while they still produce a lot of software for your platform isn't the best idea in the world), but eventually I feel the market is just going to be too tempting to ignore, especially if Apple can create a Microsoft Office beating product and go after the corporate sector more aggresively.

There is no attitude, only ignorance form other posters. Plenty of people can take the time to read the responses of others, it's only fair that others should do the same. Otherwise it becomes a retarded thread where we have xyz amount of people regurgitating things like "omg OSX on my PCs!!!11111"

There's a difference between posting an 'opinion' and repeating questions / comments that have already been discussed / mentioned in detail.

My argument doesn't hold up? State your sources.

Apples profits soared with the release of the iMac, they soared again with the release of iPod. Hardware is their forte. They're not going to risk giving that up on the 'offchance' they might be able to compete against Microsoft.

those miriad Dell boxes sitting out there in CorporateWorld, which could be swapped over to OSX with the minimum of fuss,

That's rather naive, I know plenty of System Admins dread installing the latest Service Pack for Windows in case it breaks something, let alone an entirely new operating system.

This argument is stupid. Apple have stated that OSX won't be run on anything other than an Apple Mac. Everything you're saying is pure speculation and assumption. As it stands, Apple says no, so that's that, there's nothing left to argue about. It's like me telling you Gordy is going to have Steak and Chips for his dinner tonight, even if he has said he isn't. I can ram my assumptions down your throat as hard as I want but it's not going to change the fact he won't be eating Steak and Chips.

Don't forget, Microsoft bought (and still hold as far as I'm aware) $150million worth of Apple stock so even if Apple suddenly took hold of Microsofts market share, MS still stand to profit from it.

[Grey M@a]

This seems to fit in with whats said




Get over it, it's a processor, not the end of the world. Intel are offering a better bang for the buck than the IBM alternative.

[Gordy]

This argument is stupid. Apple have stated that OSX won't be run on anything other than an Apple Mac. Everything you're saying is pure speculation and assumption. As it stands, Apple says no, so that's that, there's nothing left to argue about. It's like me telling you Gordy is going to have Steak and Chips for his dinner tonight, even if he has said he isn't. I can ram my assumptions down your throat as hard as I want but it's not going to change the fact he won't be eating Steak and Chips.

Dammit just had pizza n chips. steak and chips sounds like a great plan

have to say I've been through those five stages already like the cartoon

/Currently thinking about selling my main shuttle and getting a mac as my main rig with my spare shuttle as my gaming rig only

[Oakey]

Dammit just had pizza n chips. steak and chips sounds like a great plan

have to say I've been through those five stages already like the cartoon

/Currently thinking about selling my main shuttle and getting a mac as my main rig with my spare shuttle as my gaming rig only

Might be a good idea to wait a little while and see if the current Macs come down in price

[Gordy]

Yeah , I'm going to wait a couple of weeks as there are rumours of a ibook/mini update.

I wish it would be for an intel mini that would fit my needs perfectly

[dgr]

Your entire argument against is it just based on losing hardware sales and piracy. That doesn't really hold up - you've already mentioned the corporate market, imagine all those miriad Dell boxes sitting out there in CorporateWorld, which could be swapped over to OSX with the minimum of fuss, likewise all those expensive servers out there, swapped over to OSX server.

FACT: the majority of home users will *not* buy their OS from a vendor. It comes pre installed or "from a mate". What do you think the impact will be on Apple's revenue if they allow this to happen.

As for the whole business market - it's just not going to happen; at least in the short term: too many business apps work under & only under Windows. Most importantly, factor in RISK. The tradeoff of swopping to an entirely different OS just wouldn't be worthwhile. Oh and "minimum of fuss"? Thats the most bull**** post i've heard for a long long time. OSX Server is far too young to be taken seriously by the majority of the market.

So their market at the moment is selling niche hardware for niche prices (something that Dell has announced that it is also going to do), but Steve Jobs absolutely wants to cut into Microsoft's market share, and you're not going to do that by selling expensive hardware to the top 1-3% of the market.

Heard of a system called the "mac mini"? This argument is getting tiresome.

It merely opens up the way for far greater software sales (PearPC has already shown that people are willing to pay for OSX as a software only product), and that's not just OSX, but also iLife, iWork, and all the other *fantastic* software they already produce.

One of Apples big competitive advantages is that they don't have to waste time supporting every piece of hardware under the sun. Instead they can support a few pieces of hardware known to work well. Writing their OS to support any hardware system would be the equivilent to shooting themselves in the face.

especially if Apple can create a Microsoft Office beating product and go after the corporate sector more aggresively.

You have clearly never worked in business. There is massive cost in training users to use apps. Over the medium term, there would be no competitive advantage of moving away from Microsoft.

I agree with Oakey on all of his points. This is no major announcement, at least for the end user.

[Swafe]

A mac mini with a pentium M would rock tho