Do I have any kind of case here? (Parking ticket)

[XA04]

Been parking at the front of my house for 2 years now.. as do most other people on the same block on the road. However this morning I guess everyone had gone to work and mine was the only one left on the road, and I got a parking ticket..



It is a busy road but people manage to pass by absolutely fine, and the only line markings are slight dashed ones and there is even a big gap where I'm parked!

The only thing I could see affecting my case is it is an urban clearway... these signs were put up about a year ago but nobody ever paid any attention to them...


So is there any point in trying to appeal?


Oh and the description on the ticket says: "46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route or clea"
I'm guessing they mean 'clearway'. The time says 9.23am....

[Vimeous]

"Urban Clearways
No Stopping during the times shown, except for as long as necessary to set down or pick up Passengers."

Taken from here: http://www.parkwise.org.uk/how-to-pa...id=parkinginfo

Looks like despite not being on the yellow-line you're a bit stuffed on that one

[Jay]

this country is going to the wall.... its things like this that annoy me, its obvious that its not causing any problems being there.

[Zak33]

I wouldn't even bother chasing it down.. pay up and move on bud

Life really IS too short

[kalniel]

Sign says no parking at the time you were parked there.. it's a clear sign, and you've noticed it some time ago.. can't think there's anything obvious to go on. That celeb lawyer might be able to get you off, but otherwise easier to pay up quick.

[finlay666]

Not sure if the yellow line appears to the urban clearweay area, but that yellow line is not legit, it has no terminator

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...t-bar-end.html

"the lines should be pained in accordance with Traffic Signs Regulations & General Directions 2002, part II, Paragraph 22 and a shown in the schedule 6 diagram 1018.1, if they do not comply to this then tickets are not enforcable."
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/023113ba.gif

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm

You have already shown a picture to prove this, so if the line is in the applicable area (and what the sign applies to) it's not enforcable

[SHare]

Yeah, the signs should be accompanied by road markings and none of the road markings there are legit. Your problems is that when you appeal and win, guys will be down the next day to sort the lines and the traffic wardens will target the area. Its all about revenue.

[XA04]

this country is going to the wall.... its things like this that annoy me, its obvious that its not causing any problems being there.

I know. Like I said me and about 5-6 other neighbours park in the exact same area and it never causes problems. It's a wide road and cars can get past easily without needing to go into the middle of the road.

I wouldn't even bother chasing it down.. pay up and move on bud

Life really IS too short

Well if the ticket can't be enforced then I want to appeal! Why should i have to pay if I can appeal and not pay?

Not sure if the yellow line appears to the urban clearweay area, but that yellow line is not legit, it has no terminator

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...t-bar-end.html

"the lines should be pained in accordance with Traffic Signs Regulations & General Directions 2002, part II, Paragraph 22 and a shown in the schedule 6 diagram 1018.1, if they do not comply to this then tickets are not enforcable."
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/023113ba.gif

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm

You have already shown a picture to prove this, so if the line is in the applicable area (and what the sign applies to) it's not enforcable

Very interesting, I'm on consumer action forums about this so I'll see what they think to this

Yeah, the signs should be accompanied by road markings and none of the road markings there are legit. Your problems is that when you appeal and win, guys will be down the next day to sort the lines and the traffic wardens will target the area. Its all about revenue.

It's the first time they have visited this area in 2 years, they were down all the little side streets where the cars were parked half on the kerb... sure it is illegal but if they parked properly you wouldn't be able to get down the bloody street! Besides, I'll just keep my car there so they can't paint the lines

[Georgy291]

surely the 4th pick along shows that your not parked on a yellow line?

[gman1981]

Playing devils advocate here....I don't think the issue is that you were/weren't parked on a yellow line. Doesn't a clearway mean that that doesn't need to be any yellow lines and that is what you were penalised for? Not 100% sure on this though.

[Flibb]

I think gman could be right

[XA04]

I think gman could be right

Me too Might just have to pay up.... I still can't believe it though it's insane. Been parking there for 2+ years!

[finlay666]

http://www.gateshead.gov.uk/Transpor.../clearway.aspx

Says a 24 hour clearway doesn't need any signs, nothing about part time clearways though..

How far away is the sign/signs from where you were parked? Same side of road?

[XA04]

http://www.gateshead.gov.uk/Transpor.../clearway.aspx

Says a 24 hour clearway doesn't need any signs, nothing about part time clearways though..

How far away is the sign/signs from where you were parked? Same side of road?

Same side of road.. just down the road a little. On the same block. Not that far tbh...

[SHare]

Run the sign over.

[chadders]

post it over at forums.pepipoo.com (Parking and Decriminalised Notices subforum) get best advice there, you'll need to scan your ticket as well (front & back) - the worst you may have to do is ask for the TRO order/documents - councils are reknowned for slap-dash jobs.

Just because you find a flaw doesn't necessarily mean the council are down the next day fixing things... council's move slow.