car driver vs biker

[5lab]

http://www.citynoise.org/article/2770

very slow loader - appologies..

some people need to chill out!

[TeePee]

CYCLIST!

Probably deserved it.

[Rave]

For anyone who CBA to scroll all the way down the story is:

Car driver litters the street with a hamburgar and bun. Bike courier opens his car door and chucks it back in. Car driver gets out and assaults her, and during this assault a key that she wears round her wrist makes a small scratch on his car. Driver is persuaded to get back in his car and drive off by some bystanders.

However, after driving off the drivers decides that he's not satisfied, stops, and runs back to assult the cyclist again. This is the point the photographer started shooting. Afterwards, as the photographer followed him to shoot his licence plate, the driver grabbed a baseball bat from his boot and threatened the photographer with it.

[TeePee]

So yup, the cyclist deserved it.

Littering is unpleasent, but it's not just cause for the cyclist to commit criminal damage, starting the altercation. Driver then takes reasonable steps to protect his property, and should have contacted the police after detaining the cyclist. Sadly bystanders get involved.

Going back for more and threatening the camera guy is going too far of course.

As we saw from our own Hexus cyclists, their behavior is generally immature and offensive, so it's good to see at least one of them getting some comeback for their criminal behavior.

[5lab]

erm apparently the cyclist handed the guy his buger back. not quite sure how thats criminal damage??

[Konan555]

So yup, the cyclist deserved it.

Yes, because attacking people is the answer to everything init.

FFS

[TeePee]

Didn't hand it back. Threw it inside the car, which is criminal damage the same way graffiti is.

[5lab]

Didn't hand it back. Threw it inside the car, which is criminal damage the same way graffiti is.

now, something you may not be familiar with is something called 'the truth'. its commonly based on facts, rather than made up nonsence that you spout.

Hello all! I am the girl in the pics. My name is Leah and although I am a courier, I was WALKING my bike up Agusta when the incident took place. He was driving and opened his door (while driving) and yelling profanities he threw his beef patty on a bun out of his door. I walked over to his car, and right or wrong, I opened the door and "gave" him back his food (which he MUST have dropped by accident!) He then lost it, and jumped out of his car and threw 2 large Timmies at meand then grabbed me by my helmet and tried to toss me around a bit.It was at that point that my bike lock key (that I wear on a bracelet around my wrist) scratched his car. I have read all the postings about people sympathetic to the car driver due to the expense of repairing the scratch but sorry folks, i doubt that it will cost him anything to repair as it was a 1.2cm mark in the clearcoat only(did not damage the paint) but regardless a scratch none the less. Then with some "encouraging" from some helpfull bystanders he got in his car and drove away...or so I thought! People were comming up to me and saying that I should have him charged but at that point I just figured I had made my anti-littering point and and eye for and eye with the coffee shower, I mean I did throw that patty right. But just as I was getting on my bike to ride home he came running back and thats when the photos start. He had driven half a block and decided that the scratch was worthy of a more thorough beating I guess.
Now for a bit of clarity on a couple of things...
The blonde girl is his girlfriend...she also makes a pretty good shield from an angry mob!
I was NOT punching anyone! especially not with keys in my hand! I was just trying to save my bike (I just built it a week ago!!)
And as for the police charging him....
He took off in his car as soon as he heard the sirens....they chased him down but it is not a crime to leave the scene. They were going to charge him with a variety of things including assult with a weapon x2, mischief x2, aggravated assult, etc, but the police informed me that if I went ahead and placed those charges then they would have to charge me with mischeif for the scratch.
So in the interests of good karma (and my own sanity) I have opted to "let it go" and allow the universe to repay this angermanagement case in its own way.
And finally to those who say that i must have had a sudden case of self ritousness in regard to littering.....YOU ARE WRONG! I hate littering and NEVER do> In fact I am constantly picking up litter and make my son pick up litter at the park. I just feel that it is such a fixable issue in the world today. If everyone would not throw their own piece of litter then there would be none!! What a concept eh!?
enjoy the beautiful winter riding!

incidentally, even if it WAS thrown into the car, why is this any different from throwing it OUT of the car? its just littering.

another thing.. if you think that having litter thrown at you is reason enough to throw hot coffee over, then physically attack a slim woman, you better hope that no women throw stuff at you when i'm around.

[TeePee]

Thats a different story!

Giving back food is different from throwing it into somones car. I won't dispute littering is bad but it's not up to the cyclist to enforce that. Defacing somones property (like throwing stuff at it) is criminal damage. I DO think the cyclist is lying about this (assuming she has a typical cyclist mentality this would not be surprising), she 'wants to make here anti-littlering point'. The guy has a right to defend his property, and to detain the criminal using reasonable force.

I won't defend him coming back for more, that is assault.

Then you suggest the litter was thrown AT the driver. This would be assault on the part of the cyclist. Either way, the cyclist was the criminal, and she was lucky she got away without being charged because the driver lost his cool. What would I do if somone threw litter at me? Arrest them!

[Konan555]

Didn't hand it back. Threw it inside the car, which is criminal damage the same way graffiti is.

And Graffiti is now punishable by a good kicking in this country.

[TeePee]

Nope, but by arrest, with reasonable force. which as the driver started by grabbing (as the cyclist claims), this seems to have been. It's only after bystanders got involved the driver went too far.

The cyclist went looking for trouble, as even our own cyclists often do, and she found it.

[Konan555]

If you look at the chaps face I don't thin arrest with reasonable force crossed his mind.

She went looking to cause trouble (and make a point) and found a mindless retard unable to verbalise or control his angry outbursts.

[Howard]

Link doesn't work?

[TeePee]

I doubt it crossed his mind either, he carries a baseball bat in his car! I'm not absolving him from any blame. Coming back for more, and going for the camera person is with out question the actions of a thug.

I'm just saying, the cyclist provoked it with her immature, offensive and criminal behavoir, and given that this is so typical of cyclists, it's good to see one getting the kind of reaction they deserve.

[Konan555]

I'm just saying, the cyclist provoked it with her immature, offensive and criminal behavoir, and given that this is so typical of cyclists, it's good to see one getting the kind of reaction they deserve.

I'm just saying she deserved something, but not quite that.

She could've just knocked on his window and taken the chance to publicly verbally admonish him (not that that twonk would've paid any attention).

But there we go, the worlds full of those with a short temper, be they cyclists or drivers. And even those with the longest tempers get tested.

I don't know what I'd do if someone shoved my litter back in my car, but it's irrelevant, I wouldn't be dropping it in the first place because I try not to be so inconsiderate towards others. I know what i FEEL like doing on occasion when tourists pull up outside my house and dump their chip papers in the hedge.

[Splash]

TeePee - your argument seems to be along the lines of "throwing litter out of a car is littering, throwing it back in is assault" - what planet do you live on mate? If the driver is within rights to use reasonable force (keyword being reasonable) to apprehend the criminal, then is the cyclist not entitled to use reasonable force against someone littering?