New Xbox announced - Xbox One - So what did you think?

[Zerox]

Says it all really.....

[Marc_92]

My guess is pricing will start from at least £399. I think I read somewhere that the kinect is bundled with the one so that guess may need another £100-150 added onto it. If they make xbox live free like psn and add a sub model for better deals on games, dlc etc that could turn me but so far its a no for the one and the ps4 so far.

[TheAnimus]

Says it all really.....

Well not really.

Sony have been getting better and better all year, since the massive drop they suffered with the PSN hack, as a friend of mine put it, they will be at what he paid for them soon.

What MS have done could be a big problem, they have ironically made a similar mistake to Sony with the PS4 launch, the price point looks wrong.

All that technology, the must have kinect and processing for it, will cost, even in massive volume production. It might play out, if people pay for the xbox live membership, it could be a good money spinner. But plenty of analysts aren't convinced.

Myself I think we are seeing some strange butthurt from fanboys, MS and Sony are both doing a Steam. Yet they get slammed more due to the prevalent and established second hand games market, the PC one had long disappeared due to becoming a market for lemons thanks to CD-Keys for online playing. Ironically that was due to the lack of a DRM system. That made the xbox/ps with their hardware DRM better for aftermarket sales than the PC market which ironically used a worse form of DRM/licensing because it was the only option available.

So the Steam style account issue aside, why are people complaining about this? All that will matter is can people make good games for it? Well thats a fairly safe bet, MS know how to make tools for developers, sony messed up with the PS4 and it was a pig to code for. In fact my complaint about the Xbox One is something we knew ages ago, the deprecation of XNA, XNA for those who don't code was a more elegant simple wrapper around DirectX, most of the indie games on xbox used it. That loss is worse than what is going on now.

I have to ask all the naysayers this:

The Xbox 360 is a general purpose device, the iPlayer or Netflix figures show that. Have they compromised the gaming for that?

[fatguy666]

There just seemed to be a lack of anything that would interest a non-American or someone who has no interest in playing COD.

EA got a bad rap for abandoning the Wii U but managed to get some rep for saying they were getting rid of the online pass system. Now we know why they're doing that, they've been sleeping with Microsoft and knew what was coming.

[kalniel]

Says it all really.....

That's due to this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22623569

[Ferral]

IGN have done a summary on the XBox One :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=TT4vJY5JpDo

[HalloweenJack]

lots of `technobabble` but really no meat at all to the specs ; 5 billion transistors! that's nice , but what exactly are they making up

200GB./s bandwidth! but to what or is that total?

[Pob255]

funny the way all their "we want you to have a relationship with your tv" seem to just translate into "we want to do away with remote controls and replace them with the kinect"
That in itself isn't too bad an idea, the limited ability of the current kinect could just about handle being a tv remote control, and just having one control which you cannot lose down the back of the sofa.
Only thing is that's the most expensive remote control in history, that and as an industry no one ever wants to collaborate or standardize which is why every device has a different remote control.
Not saying it's not doable and is a worth while goal but I can foresee it being hard to sell.

There already is gesture and voice controls built into some smart tv's which will add in another layer of clashing hardware, if you have multiple motion control devices all thinking your waggling hand is a command to them to do something.

Still at least they've shown us what it'll look like which is more than sony has done.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It seems the XBox One uses DDR3 and has a 768 shader GPU:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/x...-playstation-4

However,it also uses SRAM.

[Saracen]

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Only thing is that's the most expensive remote control in history, that and as an industry no one ever wants to collaborate or standardize which is why every device has a different remote control.....

Though maybe not by as much as you might think. I have a Linn AV5101 remote which was, IIRC, about £250 .... 15 years ago. And that is just a remote, albeit a solidly built, versatile and programmable one, with macro capability.

I call it a remote. Linn called it an, erm "Personal Handset".

[kompukare]

It seems the XBox One uses DDR3 and has a 768 shader GPU:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/x...-playstation-4

However,it also uses SRAM.

So that's slower than a 7750 more like a 7730. No wonder MS don't want to talk technical details because if PS4 has Pitcairn that's at least twice as powerful. This looks more like a Nintendo.

If MS are happy with that 3D performance then even Intel could have been in the running: an enhanced GT3e might have been able to match this. Of course with their obligatory 60%+ margin, Intel would probably have been too expensive.

[kalniel]

So that's slower than a 7750 more like a 7730. No wonder MS don't want to talk technical details because if PS4 has Pitcairn that's at least twice as powerful.

PS4 doesn't have pitcairn nor is it twice as powerful, read the article It looks like the PS4 has 50% more shader throughput, which is the kind of accepted measure of 'power' (or to flip stats, the XBox One is 33% less powerful).

That probably isn't any realistic difference that you could notice, given the embedded ram will make operations like anti-aliasing much cheaper.

[Pob255]

Remember this a is an APU not a separate GPU, the A10-5750M 8850g and A10-5800K 7660D both all only 384 streams

Heck the current xbox 360 gpu is a custom Ati one based on the ATI Radeon X1800 with additional elements that was later turned into the HD2900

The nvidia mobile GT650m is also only 384 streams

The 8850G is faster than the GT650M and the 7660D slower, and the intel GT3e is looking about the same, maybe a bit slower, as the GT650m

Now I mention these as the A10-5750M is a 4core APU and the current top end AMD mobile APU

[dangel]

funny the way all their "we want you to have a relationship with your tv" seem to just translate into "we want to do away with remote controls and replace them with the kinect"
That in itself isn't too bad an idea, the limited ability of the current kinect could just about handle being a tv remote control, and just having one control which you cannot lose down the back of the sofa.
Only thing is that's the most expensive remote control in history, that and as an industry no one ever wants to collaborate or standardize which is why every device has a different remote control.
Not saying it's not doable and is a worth while goal but I can foresee it being hard to sell.

There already is gesture and voice controls built into some smart tv's which will add in another layer of clashing hardware, if you have multiple motion control devices all thinking your waggling hand is a command to them to do something.

Still at least they've shown us what it'll look like which is more than sony has done.

I thought there was a standard for device control over HDMI? HDMI-CEC? I was thinking of getting a USB HDMI CEC adaptor for my media center the other day. They've got IR blasters too don't forget. Still, the crucial thing for them is doing deals with TV providers - will sky get into bed with this idea for example?

I'm interested in this tri-OS idea - Win8 -> OS-in-the-middle <- xbox OS - is both freaky and interesting. I think they've got a lot going on software wise with this - more so than Sony whom seem (on the face of it) to have better hardware. If I can run Win8 apps on it and multitask like they've shown, plus use it as a DVR, plus use the kinect stuff (which is definitely mass appeal), plus push original programming onto it they've got a heck of a lot going on other than just pure gaming (which will upset the 'hardcore' gamers whatever that is). If the games are great then is that a problem though? This is a mainstream device..

I'm not really interested in buying either but I'd have to say overall I think MS have a more interesting console package here - with perhaps broader appeal. Can't really say until i've played with one though..

I wouldn't pay much attention to stock market figures seeing as MS hit a five year high on the 16th and made Bill rich(er) again.

[realstock]

The case looks like a cheap case from Today Only deal on scan, although I like the fact they have a Blu Ray player now.

Having owned the 360 since launch and experienced three of these dying and needing replacement, I can safely say that I will not be buying into either devices at launch, probably at all. I will also not be paying a fiver a month for Live access, nor will i be stiffed for buying pre-owned games.

Although all that could be blown out of the water if the missus sees a dance game on the xbox one that she wants, then all bets are off.

[Pob255]

@dangel, yes it's called HDMI-CEC or an HDMI in and it's got one, there's also an IR blasters in there so it can be setup to send IR signals to other devices like a remote control does.
Problem is that many companies ir data/signal patterns is under license so you need to make deals/get licenses before you can use it, the home entertainment industry is even less keen on sharing stuff than the pc industry.
So I can see compatibility becoming a major bone of contention to get the system fully working.