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can't be worse than me sleeping on Nick's comfy sofa, eyes WIDE OPEN scaring the natives, but saying that it's you so I bet it could be
go on spill the beans...
can't be worse than me sleeping on Nick's comfy sofa, eyes WIDE OPEN scaring the natives, but saying that it's you so I bet it could be
We allow our girls to drink wine with a meal, not on a daily basis, but with Sunday Roasts etc. Hopefully will teach them a responsible attitude to drink. Why do so many people drink with the aim of getting legless? (no angel here, but I never go out with the intention of getting off my face)
Mainly it's down to the fact they feel that it's the only way they can blow off steam at the weekend and let their hair down.
I have been utterly rat assed on occassion - but it has usually been for a good reason - someone's bday pub golf, drinking games etc. That, or I'd not realised how much I'd had to drink on an empty stomach (really reduces my tolerance for alcohol)
*Ponders* - can the drinking culture really get worse than here?
Someone's never been drinking with Americans.
This is both a good and bad move in my opinion..have to excercise double think here almost
On the one hand, this is great news - Alcohol is a VERY dangerous DRUG, and people forget this far too often, purely because our society considers it an acceptable drug. Its OK to go out every weekend and get high on alcohol, but its not OK to shoot up heroin or smoke weed..so restricting alcohol consumption is a good thing from this point of view - it brings the UKs drug policies closer together and makes them ever so slightly less hypocritical (/me pulls out the old facts of "how many alcohol related deaths last year?" Compared to the zero deaths from weed, and the relativly tiny number of deaths causes by other illegal drugs like heroin).
Then, forgetting the hypocritical polices on drugs in general, theres the fact that when your 15 or so, you are still developing, and are (generally..not always true) not really capable of making informed choices about drugs like alcohol. At this age it can have a nasty psychological impact too - so any move to curb under 18s drinking, or even better would be a raise in the age limit to 21 - is a good thing.
On the other hand, looking at this from a different perspective, this is a shocking move from the government trying to create a nanny state. It should be up to us what drugs we take, correct? Also, if the drinking is done at home, under parental supervision and is not to excess, whats the problem? The thing is, if you want to take this liberal view and keep the legal limit where it is, then you need to re-evaluate ALL drug laws at the same time, or else your making one law for one drug and another for all the rest, which makes no sense when you look at the properties of each drug, their toxicity etc etc.
*sigh* but things will never change, these laws are not motivated by a desire to keep people drug free, or to prevent the massive problems they can cause - its simply about money. Legalise a few drugs and tax the hell out of them (knowing that most people will still buy them no matter what the cost), and restrict the less profitable but often less harmful drugs, as theres no money in that (or in the case of weed too much money..the hemp industry was getting way to big in the 30s and so the US governemnt banned it...and then the rest of the world followed like sheep)..restrict a popular drug like alcohol based on age and people will flock to it the second they are legally allowed to.
with what?
Surely is kids been given money by parents, or are the kids theaving it?
I don't really mind too much if kids have too get up early in the morning, do a paper round finish school/homework too then can then go nuts on their liver with white lightening enough so that they are still in a fit state too do their paper round again...
Ok, so not a realistic example, but hopefully highlighting the point. If kids are able too get pissed every night, surely its not 'the problem' they are getting hold of this very available substance, its the problem that their going to suffer school problems, and health issues? Not too mention how are they funding this?
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I shall ponder this down the pub tonight and get back to you all....
Seriously though, I think its just ridiculous. It should be up to parents as to how the 'educate' their children with regards to drinking and lets face it if kids today are anything like we were they will be getting served in pubs from at least 16 because they look 18 and getting larruped! We all did (well I did!) and we all got drunk and sick and thats how you learn what your limits are.
I dont see how they can control it nor what effect it will have. Its like anything in life, you gotta try it to see if you like it. And invariably as a kid you will always do the things you arent supposed to do first so its likely to have the opposite effect to what it is aiming at.
I reckon the government should leave how we bring our kids up to us, in all respects.
If you're not living on the edge, you take up too much room
I can see both sides to this , but i am not sure how anyone would be caught out drinking at home ? Then again if it was introduced i wouldn't have to put up with the annoying 14yr old chavs ,that spend the weekend drinking, a few doors down from me!
Yes, this needs to be remembered here, there are a lot of posts assuming this is a government statement. It's a call for the government to do something on it from outside.
Personally I've never seen a problem with the law how it is, and I do see problems with what they're proposing. It looks like that is a widely held opinion too so this will probably just pass on by as yet another shock-statement to make the news.
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They'll just dish out webcams and wait for the drunken children to upload funny video's to youtube before identifying them and arresting them
If its not the way the law is already, they should make it illegal to give them alcohol unsupervised. Not letting them have some at home that is just retarded.
Under current licensing law, it is perfectly legal for a parent to buy their child (age 5 and over) Perry or Porter in a restaurant licensed to serve alcohol and providing they are eating a meal. (Perry is essentially cider made with pears, porter is an ale beer blend both can reach 5% abv and beyond)
The continental attitude to drinking as it has been refered to is something I do agree with. I see no harm once my children (which I don't have yet) reach an age that I deem acceptable in giving them a small splash of wine or a weak shandy with a family meal occasionally. Yes, I know alcohol is a dangerous substance, but most of the sweets kids can buy on the way home from school contain stuff that causes far more damage in far lower doses. In doing this I can teach them to be sensible with drink, that it is something to enjoy in moderation.
Banning something appeals to a childs rebelious side, I know what I was like, parent/child relationships are a power struggle. If I was told not to do something, you could be sure that I would do it! If a sign said "Keep off the Grass!" you could be damn sure that I wouldn't! However, my parents had the afore mentioned continental attitude to alcohol, I can remember my dad giving me a lager top as he called it which was in fact a lemonade top (a glass of lemonade with a dash of lager) from the age of about 10, at family gatherings/meals etc. In my mid teens I admit I came home drunk on occasions, every teenager does that, but I didn't feel I had to get smashed because I had been told I couldn't and I didn't see getting pissed as a way of elevating my social status.
OK I admit that if I drank loads in front of my children, then they would more than likely grow up thinking that it was acceptable. But thats a different issue.
Most kids start smoking because by law, they shouldn't be! Kids get a buzz from trying it on with shopkeepers, and then bragging to their mates that they got served and doing something that they know is wrong behind their parents backs. Introduce a kid to alcohol in a sensible way and they are less likely to drink behind their parents backs if they know they can drink at home.
My 2p: Ban drinking for under 15's and every little kid will try and get hold of booze to impress his mates by any means! But if parents take a responsible attitude and introduce their children to sensible and responsible drinking then alcohol will present less of a problem in the future.
WoW! Long post, but I resent essentially being told how to bring up my kids. When me and Nic (my beautiful wife) have kids, we are both agreed that it is our decision how we bring them up. We will smack our children (in public if necessary) IF they deserve it and never through anger. We will let our kids have a weak drink, when WE think they are old enough. Its our decision how to bring up our kids, not some poncey public schooled pillock who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never had to work a "proper" day in his life!
Teenage alcoholism is a problem but banning alcohol is not the solution it will only magnify the problem.
Beer is life, life is good!
yeah, but that's because most of them aren't very good at it ...
Seriously, I've got lots of American relatives, worked with US Army units & they can't/couldn't hold a candle to the Brits.
I too agree that banning it until 15 isn't the answer (banning it altogether didn't work either - look at prohibition).
You only have to drink their beer to realise how bad they are at boozing! Tastes like peepee!yeah, but that's because most of them aren't very good at it ....
Beer is life, life is good!
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