Do you give to animal charities?

[Cloudane]

Some hypothetical questions are simply unfair and should be left to the school playground where they belong. If I were to ask you "you get to keep your mum or your dad, the other dies, choose" (assuming that they're both alive and you have a good relationship with both) do you think that would be fair? Do you really think you can answer that?

As for judging people for what charity they donate to. How does that phrase go... "do not judge others lest you be judged yourself". All those millions of pounds you were banging on about wanting to earn in the 'career' thread, wanting to be rich and live the high life. And then you come in here and try to judge people for not thinking of the starving ethiopian children... isn't that just a tad hypocritical? I mean, us humans are all hypocrites to some degree, but you're taking it to a whole new level here.

If the war-torn kids mean *so* much to you, then why did you choose to buy a high-end NVidia graphics card instead of donating the money to them instead? Hmm?

Answer: Just like the rest of us, you're selfish. We all are. Get off your high horse...

Charity begins at home, then whatever cause you feel strongly about, then other things. FWIW I do care about animals, they're innocent, humans are not. I give to all sorts of causes when the tin's rattled at me (though not on a regular basis) but to borrow one of those hypothetical situations I'd rather save a kitten than a human if that human was going to thank me by trying to blow up my country, like so many foreigners do these days after we've given them asylum, benefits and a better home than half our own people have.

[Splash]

Some hypothetical questions are simply unfair and should be left to the school playground where they belong. If I were to ask you "you get to keep your mum or your dad, the other dies, choose" (assuming that they're both alive and you have a good relationship with both) do you think that would be fair? Do you really think you can answer that?

I was trying to point out what a ridiculous question ibm had asked, nothing more. I clearly stated in the post that it was an unrealistic question. Clearly I would hope that nobody has to go through a situation like that, or the dog/family member leg removal choice.

[Cloudane]

edit: attempt 2!

Thanks for clarifying, yeah your question was just as bad But I was actually referring to ibm's "which one would you save" question from earlier.... it's an unfair question, and a situation that isn't going to arise.

[Splash]

Aha, no worries in that case.

I have a better question - I'm going to have a couple of beers after work. Does that make me a bad person?

[tiggerai]

Yes, becase you're not buying me one.

[Splash]

I'll drink you one if you like? And besides, didn't you butt out of this thread a couplde of pages back?

[kickstart 1]

I'm still here , i will have a beer!

[Splash]

Well, it's off to the theatre first, but then a few beers after that. If you feel like joining me and the missus for the remaining 3 hours or King Henry VI you're welcome to join us...



though not

[mcmiller]

i'll have one to if your getting the round in lol

[Stewart]

Henry V > Henry VI.

[tiggerai]

I'll drink you one if you like? And besides, didn't you butt out of this thread a couplde of pages back?

Out of the discussion, yes... but not the thread.

And someone mentioned beer...

[IBM]

It's a hypothetical AND UNREALISTIC situation. Have another.

Someone breaks into your house and is going to cut off the legs of your mother or your father. Which one do you choose?

It's a ridiculous question to ask, yet to me is no more ridiculous than choosing between your dog and your dad. My cats are pretty much family to me.


To put another spin on it consider that most human issues are caused by human action. Can you honestly say that you believe that most domestic animal issues are caused by domestic animals?

You're saying I'm not allowed to pose hypothetical situations? Why not? Doesn't matter if it's unrealistic or not, it's my hypothetical situation, if you don't like it, don't answer it, but don't tell me I can't pose it in the first place.
Anyway, what's unrealistic about it? I'm asking to choose between human and animal, just putting in language more suited to convey the importance of the issue.

And as for domestic animal issues being caused by man, of course they are...although it's an interesting point, would you shoot the wild lion to protect the defenceless 'ickle wild calf?

It's not that I don't care about cruelty to animals.....seeing things such as the kitten described by Tigs makes me feel terrible to. I genuinely love animals. Had cats and dogs as a kid, gerbils, birds, and fish. I've spent time in the organutan reserves of Sumatra, and have held white tiger cubs. Do I think any of that is worth even a single human life? No.

In terms of my priority, people come first. Always.

[IBM]

i hope you joking by then utterly stupid and to be quite frank ignorant comment ! just because a human is able to communicate that he is in pain does not mean that the animal does not feel any pain!

Its good that you feel strongly about human welfare but to put that above everything and to tell everyone else not to give there money to animal charities is just plain wrong, its important that we ensure the survival of all the species on the planet not just humans.

Oh for gods sake, read the post.

I didn't say they don't suffer, they don't suffer as much. Human, capable of intelligent and rational thought, suffering being more than just physical pain. the only person whose intelligence is called into question is yours. Try thinking, try imagining, try to put yourself in the position of someone in that situation....all processes above and beyond the ability of your average cat.

Yes, it is important to ensure the survival off all species, and as people keep pointing out, fortunately it's not an either or situation. But if you put animal life above conscious beings capable of rational thought, then you should be ashamed of yourself.

And that's what you get for calling me stupid.

[IBM]

Some hypothetical questions are simply unfair and should be left to the school playground where they belong. If I were to ask you "you get to keep your mum or your dad, the other dies, choose" (assuming that they're both alive and you have a good relationship with both) do you think that would be fair? Do you really think you can answer that?

As for judging people for what charity they donate to. How does that phrase go... "do not judge others lest you be judged yourself". All those millions of pounds you were banging on about wanting to earn in the 'career' thread, wanting to be rich and live the high life. And then you come in here and try to judge people for not thinking of the starving ethiopian children... isn't that just a tad hypocritical? I mean, us humans are all hypocrites to some degree, but you're taking it to a whole new level here.

If the war-torn kids mean *so* much to you, then why did you choose to buy a high-end NVidia graphics card instead of donating the money to them instead? Hmm?

Answer: Just like the rest of us, you're selfish. We all are. Get off your high horse...

Charity begins at home, then whatever cause you feel strongly about, then other things. FWIW I do care about animals, they're innocent, humans are not. I give to all sorts of causes when the tin's rattled at me (though not on a regular basis) but to borrow one of those hypothetical situations I'd rather save a kitten than a human if that human was going to thank me by trying to blow up my country, like so many foreigners do these days after we've given them asylum, benefits and a better home than half our own people have.

goodness sake....they're coming out of the woodwork.

Go back to that other thread....here's the link in case you can't read well enough to find it http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=112855 .... and read it again. My motivation for making something of myself it be able to give money to charity. To quote

but now my motivation is to be wealthy enough to be able to do some good. Both my wife and I want to start up charities in third world countries to take care of orphans, so now we work for ourselves, in the hope that we can make a difference.

And as for my recent computer purchase, the money was given to me by a well meaning relative when my old system died. The money was specifically for the computer, and as he's a philanthropist himself, I'd imagine he'd rather I spent it on what it was for.

So you called me hypocritical and selfish, without really knowing what you're talking about. You're having a go at me for wanting to save the lives of children. You're making generalistions about people receiving aid becoming terrorists regardless of the underlying motivation behind their actions.

And as for animals being innocent and people not, I fall back on the image posted before.



yeah, I'm sure he must deserve that.

[Splash]

You're saying I'm not allowed to pose hypothetical situations? Why not? Doesn't matter if it's unrealistic or not, it's my hypothetical situation, if you don't like it, don't answer it, but don't tell me I can't pose it in the first place.

Please point me to where I tell you that you're not allowed to pose that question. I merely stated that in my opinion it's a ridiculous question to pose, and threw something which I see as just about as ridiculous into the melting pot.

Anyway, what's unrealistic about it? I'm asking to choose between human and animal, just putting in language more suited to convey the importance of the issue.

again you ignore my point. Why should I have to make that choice? Nowhere does it state that when donating to (for example) the RSPCA that you cannot donate also to (another example) Amnesty International.

And as for domestic animal issues being caused by man, of course they are...although it's an interesting point, would you shoot the wild lion to protect the defenceless 'ickle wild calf?

Glad we agree on something! Would the RSPCA (as they seem to be the subject of your ire) shoot a lion to protect a calf? Of course not - that's nature. I have no objection to nature working as it is intended - the charities you seem to be so angry with are concerned more with are looking at what I would deem "pets" rather than "wildlife"

It's not that I don't care about cruelty to animals.....seeing things such as the kitten described by Tigs makes me feel terrible to. I genuinely love animals. Had cats and dogs as a kid, gerbils, birds, and fish. I've spent time in the organutan reserves of Sumatra, and have held white tiger cubs. Do I think any of that is worth even a single human life? No.

And I respect your right to your opinion. Are you wrong to have an opinion dissimilar to mine? Of course not. Why are you so angry that people may make the choice to donate to a charity not of your choosing?

In terms of my priority, people come first. Always.

That's your choice again. I just happen to disagree. To me people come first. Most of the time. And I still fail to see why me donating to animal welfare charities AS WELL AS (hell, even instead of) humanitarian ones puts me in the wrong.

yeah, I'm sure he must deserve that.

And is it the vulture's fault or do we lay the blame at the door of the human race? If you substiute the child for a the aforementioned defenceless 'ickle wild calf what difference does it make?

[Dareos]

Well, this has deteriorated into a rant about people that give to animal charities being thoughtless and stupid and people who give to human charities being saintly and above reproach.

tbh, i think you have approached this subject with blinkers on, you are only replying to tidbits of posts that you feel you can respond to and are not approaching the issue as a whole.

I will be rather blunt now. If i want to get preached at, then i will go to church, if i want to see these images then i will watch the news channels, or look at the pertaining websites. If I want to give money to an animal charity rather than a human rights one, then i will do so, of my own free will BECAUSE I AM PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF LOOKING AT SEVERAL SITUATIONS AND MAKING MY OWN MIND UP ABOUT THEM.

now, if you want to go ahead and start up charities, thats all well and good, good luck with that, but don't ever try to guilt trip me, because quite frankly, that tactic hasnt worked on me since i was caught stealing sweeties from my little brothers selection box at christmas in 1986. Its juvenile, pathetic and quite frankly i find it insulting. I also consider it beneath the level of intelligence that you have so far shown on these forums and acheiving nothing more than a feeling of antagonism between people that do donate their time and money and sometimes their lives to the charity of their choice