Do you give to animal charities?

[Cloudane]

As wrong as it is, most of the human race is quite selfish, and I count myself in that too (if you're really a saint then good for you, although most don't feel the need to shout about how great they are )

We (humans) support things that are close to us, usually family first, then interests (e.g. animals), then worthy causes within the country etc. And yes, the cute and fluffy very frequently get preference. Madeleine McCann is a shining example here.... millions if not billions of ££ are being spent trying to find one little girl because she happens to be blonde and cute, and extremely fashionable to cry over (kind of like Diana was when she died), yet the same people couldn't give a toss that there are millions of black kids crawling around in Ethiopia. Out of sight, out of mind (whilst the press are making damn sure Maddy is always in sight... bet their profits are only going to one place though!)

That's the reasoning that you seek. Personally I do care a damn sight more that there are millions of people dying in the world than the fact that some neglectful parents have lost *one* child, but would I be cold enough to try and tell people to stop supporting the Maddy case and donate to a cause with some hope instead? Hell no.

BTW most won't be so honest about their flaws, but you can be sure as hell they're there.

Bottom line - different people value different things... probably why there are so many wars in the world.

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Oi ! i am still here and reading within intent . You still wont convince me not to do my bit for the animals. But can i ask you a question .ibm ? Why warchild , why abroad ? What made you decide those ones ,(from what i see posted) . Why not suffering children in our country? What about the poor oap's who cant afford heat in winter? You have asked us in a way ,to justify why we would want to give money to animal causes , so why do you choose other countries and not start with people in your own ?

[craigtrap]

I tend to put my change into charity pots in shops when they give me change...but i have never gone out of my way to give them money, maybe i should sometime! I would very much like to see a poor animal get better because of my money!!

[Splash]

I think you'd find they would all reply to the former, and provide you with a big long list of why you should do so, and what they could be doing with your money. These people who work for those charities, at least the involved ones, are so passionate they don't care about other people's charities. Like you they've made their stance for what they believe in, and believe that their cause is just and true *hums american anthem under breath*

You know what? I'm tempted to try and see what happens

I am depriving warchild with every penny i send elsewhere. Of course that's a huge overemphasis on the importance of my donation, but even so, I hate the fact that I haven't got millions to give. My burden.

If you had millions to give would that not make your burden even greater?

[IBM]

As wrong as it is, most of the human race is quite selfish, and I count myself in that too (if you're really a saint then good for you, although most don't feel the need to shout about how great they are )

Thanks for the rest of the post, but as for that quoted above, I did no such thing. Never do. I'm as flawed as the next, I have my opinion and so do you. Never said I was a saint, have never said I'm better than anyone. You can draw whatever conclusions you want from what I've said, but I am who I am, I do what I do, and that's it. I'm not shouting anything.

[Splash]

As wrong as it is, most of the human race is quite selfish, and I count myself in that too (if you're really a saint then good for you, although most don't feel the need to shout about how great they are )

I don't think many people get beatified until post-mortem... But I digress.

We (humans) support things that are close to us, usually family first, then interests (e.g. animals), then worthy causes within the country etc. And yes, the cute and fluffy very frequently get preference. Madeleine McCann is a shining example here.... millions if not billions of ££ are being spent trying to find one little girl because she happens to be blonde and cute, and extremely fashionable to cry over (kind of like Diana was when she died), yet the same people couldn't give a toss that there are millions of black kids crawling around in Ethiopia. Out of sight, out of mind (whilst the press are making damn sure Maddy is always in sight... bet their profits are only going to one place though!)

This is a whole other can of worms that I feel very strongly about. Can we do that one next Friday? Perhaps a hexus.debate subforum for this kind of thing? I'm being serious. We never had a debating society in school, so I missed out. And I'm an argumentative mutha...

[IBM]

Oi ! i am still here and reading within intent . You still wont convince me not to do my bit for the animals. But can i ask you a question .ibm ? Why warchild , why abroad ? What made you decide those ones ,(from what i see posted) . Why not suffering children in our country? What about the poor oap's who cant afford heat in winter? You have asked us in a way ,to justify why we would want to give money to animal causes , so why do you choose other countries and not start with people in your own ?

Staying with children for the time being, for all the suffering kids go through in abusive families here in the UK, even leading to tragic fatilities, there are kids out there in situations who would give everything they have to be in such a situation here in the UK. I'm talking about charities who take care of the most uncared for, the most tragic, despondant disgraceful results of human babarity.

And the UK has a government, it has taxpayers, it has people who are responsible and working towards a resolution. Which is more than can be said for some places around the world. The people in my own country have a lot going for them compared to people overseas.

We're all human. Should I ignore them because they're a different race, nationalilty, colour or religion?

[Cloudane]

One other thing - supporting animals does actually help humans too, because things like pets help to keep many people sane.

Let's say, seeing as you're taking an extremist view, that somehow overthrew the government and became a dictator. You sent your forces out into the country to exterminate all pet dogs, arguing that by buying dog food, the population are depriving starving humans of potential donations. You then force everyone to spend what they would have spent on dog food, on donating to the war child cause instead. (It kind of seems like you would actually do this, given the chance)

This would certainly help the Ethiopians, but think about all the emotional trauma caused to our own people... "What do you mean he was your best friend? It's only a dog!"

[Cloudane]

is a whole other can of worms that I feel very strongly about. Can we do that one next Friday? Perhaps a hexus.debate subforum for this kind of thing? I'm being serious. We never had a debating society in school, so I missed out. And I'm an argumentative mutha...

Can of worms is the word. Think I'd be the minority case on this particular one...

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Another thought just popped into my mind (better be careful now, that's 3 in one day) - why are you so keen on the children? That sounded wrong...


My point being that in your opinion animal charities always play the "cute fluffy kitten" angle. In my opinion humanitarian charities are doing the same thing by playing the "poor vulnerable child" angle. Does a child's life have more value than a middle aged person, or an elderly person? Should you have to make the choice?


One of my big criteria when chosing if to donate to a charity, and if so how much is "how do I know what they're spending my money on? How do I know if I'm making a difference?" There are too many charities out there who just aren't open enough about what they do with their donations, and that loses them my cash.

[Splash]

Can of worms is the word. Think I'd be the minority case on this particular one...

Me too. I'm certainly not in agreement with the redtops, but let's save that for another day as I can almost taste the beer now...

[Cloudane]

Another thought just popped into my mind (better be careful now, that's 3 in one day) - why are you so keen on the children? That sounded wrong...


My point being that in your opinion animal charities always play the "cute fluffy kitten" angle. In my opinion humanitarian charities are doing the same thing by playing the "poor vulnerable child" angle. Does a child's life have more value than a middle aged person, or an elderly person? Should you have to make the choice?

Can't speak for ibm, but personally I like to donate to those with the most innocence (animals AND children) when doing so. OAPs ... well they're going to die anyway

Me too. I'm certainly not in agreement with the redtops, but let's save that for another day as I can almost taste the beer now...

Mmmm. Me too. Great minds are definitely thinking alike here LOL

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OAPs ... well they're going to die anyway

We're all dying mate, one of the 2 certain things in life.

[Cloudane]

Aye, eventually dying is the one talent we all share, even Posh Spice.

If anyone missed it (not saying you did) , the OAPs bit was humour, hence the smileys

[craigtrap]

Hmm i think that more money should be given to animals becoming extinct and less to common animals!! I would like to see people walking tigers in the park!

[Splash]

Remind me to stay well away from Congleton in that case...