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About LinkBacksyour science is BAD SCIENCEOriginally Posted by Bazzlad
I blame 9/10 of those on munchies. That's a scientfic fact
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your science is BAD SCIENCEI blame 9/10 of those on munchies. That's a scientfic fact
FACT
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Alcohol and Tabacco produce is legal because of the Tax it brings in, and the fact that they've been legal since forever, if they were to come into existance now they'd be illegal.
Ecstasy and cannabis are still outlawed as they have only been readily available in the last century, in which they have been portrayed to be the devils work and to be only taken by reckless mentalheads.
When do I get my Mars bar?
Tom Scott,
Scancom.co.uk/HEXUS Liason
Heroin was once legal...
Mate I am coming up to 50 so memory loss can be put down to my aging brain and munchies oh yes and I put the weight down to middle age spread.30 years?!? So - the big question is - do you still get the munchies and how good is your short term memory (can you even remember posting this?)
Its still legal to urinate in a policemans helmet, if you are pregnant and "caught short". Just thought I'd let you all know....
Tom Scott,
Scancom.co.uk/HEXUS Liason
someone like kickstart probably needs to start a "silly laws" thread
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Tom - Cannabis has been used by humans since pre-history, so I will have to both disagree with your statment that it has only become avalible in the last century, and rub the Mars bar you think you are getting all over your face.
In the UK its only been readily available for the past 100 or so years - that was my point.
Its kind of like saying "men used to murder people when we were cavemen, why can't we do that now?" I'm not saying the government are right or wrong, I just think its been made a controlled substance because of the fact its been protrayed as a "madheads" drug since the early 1900's.
Last edited by Tom Scott; 02-08-2007 at 04:39 PM.
Tom Scott,
Scancom.co.uk/HEXUS Liason
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So really, its all down to how long to drug has been known for? Es only caught on in the 80s so they are bad things, people were smoking fags long before that, so they are good things. The extra 100,000 or so people who will die, is neither here or there.
Its not enough to change my mind, personally.
I'd argue its the death toll, not the date of widespread usage that is more important.
the start date of usage should have bugger all to do with it
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The ratio of users:deaths would be much more statically sound, but I hear your point.
My views on illegal drugs have massively changed over the last few years. I used to be a hardline 'anti drug' bloke that the media would be proud of, but the more I looked into the facts and people I spoke to who used them, the more I realised that it would probably be more beneficial to legalise certain drugs.
I know a fair number of people who pop an E some weekends, and they are some of the most highly educated and clever people I have ever come across. They have researched it thoroughly, take precautions and have never mugged, raped, kicked anyone in or any other such actions; Unlike a huge number of alcohol users.
Its down to portrayal in the media, the media says its bad for you, the majority of people go along with that. They say its good for you people go along with it.
Ecstasy had a bad name as it killed a few people when it first came about, so it was swiftly dealt with.
The only drugs in my eyes that should be outlawed are the ones that make people form dependancies and turn to crime.... i.e. crack, cocaine (to a certain extent) and heroin.
Then again if alcohol was illegal. it'd probably be very expensive and you'd have people committing crimes to get their hands on it, or the money to afford it. Swings and roundabouts, you'll never win.
Criminalising cannabis is a travesty though, it doesn't cause crime. Its portrayed as sending people mental and causing serious mental illness... hence its illegal.
The media say you're getting "stronger and stronger" strains coming in all the time, but thats absolute rubbish... because its not regulated in anyway shape or form what you're actually getting people mixing "skunk" with silica, sand, and glass to make it look more potent.
Cannabis in the UK is more dangerous now than it has ever been, simply because you don't know what you're buying anymore.
Tom Scott,
Scancom.co.uk/HEXUS Liason
Adey, its the same for most people. Hardline anti-drug types are pretty much only that way because they use headlines in newspapers for their info. As soon as they stop doing this, and actually find out the truth, they magically becomeless of a hardline anti-drug type.
For instance, Leah Betts, the girl who died a few years back and made headlines.
Lets compare the facts with the media reporting.
FACT - The cause of death was water intoxification. (Drinking too much water in a short space of time)
MEDIA - ZOMG LEAH BETS IS DEADED BECAUE SHE TUCKED AN ECTASY TABLET!
See the subtle difference?
The really sick thing is the reason she drank so much water is because of media misreporting and scare stories. If the facts about this drug were known - that it is about as safe as a drug can be, providing you are not stupid (dancing for 19 hours without a rest, not drinking anything for hours, drinking 7 bottles of water in 5 minutes, etc) she'd almost certainly not have come to any harm.
So not only is most media reporting of drug use and effects outright lies, it does nothing to save lives, instead puts many more of them in danger.
The truth is what is needed, not scare stories.
Tom - Exactly mate.Let me wipe that mars bar off your face.
Agree on your point of what drugs sould be illegal. Those of you who know how Es work, will know it is simply not possible to have a £300 a day E habit. You can't take that many pills. They have no noticable effect after more than a few. The law says Heroin and Es are both Class A drugs... anyone with a brain cell knows that this is a joke. Heroin is evil, it will **** you up. Es and weed - not so much.
Last edited by Stewart; 02-08-2007 at 04:57 PM.
I've been using a volcano for nearly 3 years and had a Vapureyes before that. Since I started vaping, I've hardly looked back to smoking. Just the occasional pipe of bubble or something middle eastern.
I think that's being a bit optimistic, what about psychological disease and cancer?
People can suffer cancer for years before it kills them, emphysema is incredibly damaging - but i doubt everyone dies from it. And what about schizophrenia (i know it's being awfully pedantic)? While i agree with what you're saying, i think you should encompass a bit more than just death as a flat rule.
Great aint they? If you are going to smoke illegal green things, this is the safest (and most cost effective) way of doing it.
Also - this thread isn't going to be much fun unless a hardcore anti-drug Guardian reader jumps in, to tell us why weed should be illegal.
There has to be one on the forums? SHOW YOURSELF!!one!
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