Parents killed madeline?

[Andy3536]

They had lost their child and they were desperate. They would have done anything to get her back and the publicity must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Its worth noting that if you murdered your own child, you probably wouldnt want publicity.

How is it their fault that a bunch of money grabbing newspapers, interested only in selling more copies, have siezed upon this familys personal tragedy in order to suit their own agenda. Hmm not much news of sightings lately... i know lets write some sensationalist, speculative bs so we can flog a few more copies (thats the Portugese media and our own).

You have no way of knowing that these accusations were not born out of some sort of fact.

Are they guilty of murder. The simple fact is, none of us know.
Are they guilty of neglect. Most certainly.
Had they been a working class couple social services would at this stage be re-homing thier other 2 kids.

Could it not all be possible aswell that the pulicity that they were part of and the whole campain to find maddy might not of been so they could say 'we wouldn't have done that if we were guilty now would we'
On the other hand mabee they are in denial, and the longer they kept telling everybody she was taken and is still out there somewhere the more they themseves might bellive it?

With the way the portugese police are handling this investigation we may never know the truth to any of the questions still un answered.

[finlay666]

I'm sick of it to be honest. The whole did they didnt they, who did it mallarky.

Some kid goes missing on holiday, people holding out hope for over a month yet when no ransom (AFAIK) was produced the child (to me) is presumed dead/raped/abused/ a pick'n'mix of the previous choices.

Parents blame an 'innocent mistake'.

Yet no-one seems to be worried (not still front page anyway) about the state of child abuse in the UK when one kid goes missing in Europe, while thousands of children (more than likely a lot more) are being abused on a regular basis in the UK (according to the NSPCC)

Maddie....alive or dead, could be anywhere in the world if the abductee (if one exists) wanted to.... seems a bit sad to still try and delay the inevitable dissapointment.

My opinion.... <link removed - that's entirely unacceptable language on here, Finlay - Saracen> pretty much sums it up really for me.

[this_is_gav]

Some kid goes missing on holiday, people holding out hope for over a month yet when no ransom (AFAIK) was produced the child (to me) is presumed dead/raped/abused/ a pick'n'mix of the previous choices.

Could have been desperate wannabe parents. Very unlikely I know, but then I've no idea how stringent the adopting policies are in Portugal, or if they even exist.

Generally though I agree that it's safe to say, sad as it is, that Madeleine McCann is dead.

[finlay666]

Fair point there, although it would appear a little too opportunistic for a snatch and run like has been claimed for someone wanting to adopt IMO

[IBM]

update

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6985454.stm

[Doose]

......

It strikes me as the kind of thing many people could have done, especially in the context of a relaxed attitude at a quiet, sleepy holiday resort where, according to locals, this kind of event is (or at least was) unheard-off.

First thing I thought of was there but for the grace of god..

The suspicion that the parents had anything to do with it is very remote. If mrs Mcann had accidently done something the grief would be devastating. Few would be able to function through such imeadiate emotion. The imeadiate reaction would be to scream for help. The second would be to punish your self. Saving your own skin is really way down the list for a parent...

[Brucelles]

*Zak edit, cos frankly, Brucelles, I'm shocked. Please don't post such things again...please.

Thanks*


We don't really need the gutter press here do we? We can crucify them ourselves.

[Brucelles]

OK Zak. But let me say it differently.

Leave these people alone. They have oceans of grief and loads of you lot can't wait to compete with the Sun to get the accusations and innuendo in first. I have no reason to believe them guilty of anything but a mistake, and neither do any of you. Have a little humanity.


Zak edit: muuuuuuch better post. I knew what you meant but the language was nasty! Thanks for not taking offense and my removal of your post and for still joining in.

[directhex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Condit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Simpson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen&#37;C3%A9t_Ramsey

just saying, suspicion isn't entirely unreasonable

[pollaxe]

To echo some of the points above, we simply do not possess enough publicly-known facts about the case to make an informed judgement. That of course, supposes the Portuguese authorities actually have any firm evidence at all.

In most investigations the parents would be suspects regardless but the little I've learned from reading/watching the endless coverage of this utterly tragic event I would be very surprised if her parents were actually involved - that's not to say they weren't - just my impression at the moment. However, I keep an open mind and await further evidence to be made public.

I am not - and have not been from the start - impressed by the standard of investigation by the Portuguese police.

[Mama Sumae]

Nasty case in the end only the media is getting something out of it, seems to be getting worse now as even non British and Portuguese media are giving way more attention to the case ever since the McCanns were declared arguidos.

Its incredible the amount of speculation going around in the media, the information flow between the Portuguese police and the general media is very restricted but everyday a new theory is presented and seriously for all I can see they are all based in information and clues that they say the police might and I repeat might have.

Regarding the arguidos status it will simply provide the judicial background for Portuguese police to approach the McCanns more directly plus giving the McCanns the necessary legal protection. The information that leaded the police to this action is reserved to them and it’s completely irresponsible for media to speculate on it especially considering the levels of officially released information.

[Merlin4458]

I recon they played some part. It was a an accident more so than intentional imo. you asked for our thoughts so we are allowed to give them, and make assumptions. I thought they did it from day 1, and so do alot of other people, now why is that? Its because of the way they have acted, its weird, it comes across dodgy.

> they are missing a child yet they go out there way to sue a television company
> why the hell are they going to the pope? when they can try help with the case
> as said above, not a single mention of the other kids.. Why
> time frame and lack of confidence in the portugese leads me to think it could quite easily have been them
> why would someone pick this girl in a resort when if u wanted to get a kid u can find alot quiet places
> why no ransom rob body, fairly rare imo especially with the high status of this case

[Mama Sumae]

It looks to me that the parents are likely to be involved; normally I would keep it to myself since in general, opinions are based in personal assumptions and for all I know many of us might be doing a massive injustice with the parents. Still I just find the general behaviour of the parents unnatural to the situation.

Since day one they had a very smart understandable use of the media and were quick to gather the necessary attention to the case, still sometimes it felt that there was far too much effort from the parents to pass a “good “ image about themselves to the media and general opinion. They also seemed very keen to use their comments to reinforce any beneficial points (to themselves) found in either the investigation or the general media opinion of the case.


Plus statistics in this sort of case point to either family or friends considering they were in a foreigner country its only natural to consider they were involved

[Splash]

It was obviously the Scientologists. Or maybe the Movementarians. Or that bloke down the chip shop who swears he's Elvis.

[badass]

Not a single person that has posted on this thread has enough information to make a remotely informed opinion of who did what in this case. Yet judgments are abound. Thank god kangaroo courts are not legally binding.

[Brucelles]

I have just checked the statistics. If this were America the chance of the mother being involved would be about 8%. Not really worth pillorying her over.

Another one that really does scare me is that the number of missing children increased by 468% between 1992 and 2000 (USA). So the streets really are a lot more dangerous now than they were when my daughter was born. Ploughing through all of the police figures it looks as though the increase is partly due to an increase in "no idea" disappearances, and mainly due to kidnapping.

I think the McCanns are very likely just getting a bum deal.