Parents killed madeline?

[Brucelles]

I should clarify, although the numbers have increased, they are still not high. If family kidnappings (mainly mothers reclaiming kids from estranged fathers) and 'elopements' are excluded, the American Justice Department reckon that there are only 115 stereotypical kiddy kidnappings per year in the whole USA.

[Stewart]

OK Zak. But let me say it differently.

Leave these people alone. They have oceans of grief and loads of you lot can't wait to compete with the Sun to get the accusations and innuendo in first. I have no reason to believe them guilty of anything but a mistake, and neither do any of you. Have a little humanity.

Well said.

Why is every 2nd poster in this thread pretending to be the bloke from Cracker? You know nothing, probably less than nothing. Yet you all know it was the parents, you all know hoe likely and unlikely this is.

You know nowt. Shush until the police make an arrest,

[Andy3536]

Well said.

Why is every 2nd poster in this thread pretending to be the bloke from Cracker? You know nothing, probably less than nothing. Yet you all know it was the parents, you all know hoe likely and unlikely this is.

You know nowt. Shush until the police make an arrest,

Whether they are guilty or not they are still responcible.
Leaving 3 children alone in a strange country while you go to the resturant in a hotel?
I don't think they killed maddy accidental or other wise, i certainly think they are unfit parents and had they both been working class would have already been investigated by social services.

[Kumagoro]

When I was a child I use to play outside with other kids in the street and fields, while my parents were indoors. Did your parents never let you out to play? were you never out of sight from them?
If you were, do you think your parents neglected you.... and should be prosecuted.

From my recollection the kids who were never allowed to come out and play were weird along with
their families. I am just glad I grew up in the 80's

[TiG]

You played out alone when you where 3? - i don't think so.

TiG

[JPreston]

Trial set for track death parents

Parents have been brought to trial in the past (in the UK).

[Zak33]

I'd like to thank Brucelles for redoing his post, not getting the arse with me for deleting a lot of the first one, AND carrying on in the thread

S! sir.

[Bunjiweb]

I'd just like to throw my own bit into the ring, after all everyone is entitled to an opinion on the matter!

I have found that I have felt more and more over the last few weeks that there is something entirely unsettling about the complete milking of the media attention over this case. Of course the parents are entitled to run a missing person's campaign, but to take it to the lengths that the McCanns seem to have does raise suspicions. It seems that it would be a very easy way to cover your tracks if you WERE guilty to whip up a frenzied media campaign helping to find your child, knowing full well in the first place that she would not be found well and alive.

The evidence that seems to have emerged, although as i understand it hasnt been confirmed as of yet is that there was traces of madelines blood in the hire car they had 28 days after madeline was first reported to have dissapeared. Now why on earth would this be the case if it didnt link the parents in some way to the dissapearance of their child.

Another thing to point out is that from all the pictures, news reports and the like I have seen very little if anything of Mrs McCann looking at all emotional. Who knows, this may be her way of dealing with it, putting on a brave face and not letting her emotions show through. However, could it be that the lack of emotions are because there is a more sinister reason behind it?

I am not labelling her as the murder, but I have to say I do have my doubts, and I wonder why the campaign continues as she is almost certainly either dead or long gone by now. There have been cases very similar to this in the past. You'd never suspect the parents, but you can never rule it out as unfortunately mental instability comes in various sickening forms...

Ben

[Stewart]

I'd just like to throw my own bit into the ring, after all everyone is entitled to an opinion on the matter!

I have found that I have felt more and more over the last few weeks that there is something entirely unsettling about the complete milking of the media attention over this case. Of course the parents are entitled to run a missing person's campaign, but to take it to the lengths that the McCanns seem to have does raise suspicions. It seems that it would be a very easy way to cover your tracks if you WERE guilty to whip up a frenzied media campaign helping to find your child, knowing full well in the first place that she would not be found well and alive.

The evidence that seems to have emerged, although as i understand it hasnt been confirmed as of yet is that there was traces of madelines blood in the hire car they had 28 days after madeline was first reported to have dissapeared. Now why on earth would this be the case if it didnt link the parents in some way to the dissapearance of their child.

Another thing to point out is that from all the pictures, news reports and the like I have seen very little if anything of Mrs McCann looking at all emotional. Who knows, this may be her way of dealing with it, putting on a brave face and not letting her emotions show through. However, could it be that the lack of emotions are because there is a more sinister reason behind it?

So you are saying they are capable of blaging the entire publicity campaign, meeting the Pope, speaking to the worlds press, going here, there and everywhere appealing, etc, but when it comes to being able to faking a few tears, they are unable, and so give themselves away?

I think if they could feign all the stuff thats been going on mate, they could probably dig deep a pretend to be a bit more upset if they thought it was needed, yeah?

[Andy3536]

So you are saying they are capable of blaging the entire publicity campaign, meeting the Pope, speaking to the worlds press, going here, there and everywhere appealing, etc, but when it comes to being able to faking a few tears, they are unable, and so give themselves away?

I think if they could feign all the stuff thats been going on mate, they could probably dig deep a pretend to be a bit more upset if they thought it was needed, yeah?

This could all be a dinial thing, the more they go on with it, the more they belive it themselves.
And not aloud out to play at 3 out of sight from parents, as if

Do not loose sight of the fact the police are saying 'accidental death' and the parents paniced and hid the evidence worried about the concequences. They will not be charged with murder!
They do protest to much?
I don't know about all you but from what i've seen is a distinct lack of emotion from both parents, with the exeption of Jerry when he was talking about a press article that first linked them to maddys death.
I say again i think it is highly unlikely they are guilty, but they are responcible.



Edit

Just seen this, it's just the police giving info on DNA sample.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...9,00.html?f=vg

Not the best police in the world but we shall se where it goes.

[JPreston]

Not the best police in the world but we shall se where it goes.

As much as many posters have complained about the cod psychology applied to Kate McCann's body language and display of grief/lack thereof, it's worth remembering that none of us are in any way qualified or informed enough to make any assessment at all of the efficacy or competency of the portugese investigation (not picking on Andy3536 at all, many peeps have complained about the portugese police).

Any perception we in the UK have of the much-maligned portugese police has been carefully crafted by the professionally orchestrated PR campaign the McCann's set in motion immediately following the disappearance (seriously, one of the first things they did was engage a PR company). This campaign continuously portrayed the police as bungling and incompetent.

Just something else to bear in mind....

[charleski]

It seems that it would be a very easy way to cover your tracks if you WERE guilty to whip up a frenzied media campaign helping to find your child

And, in the process, put a lot of pressure on the police to find the killer, with the result that the police try to pin it on you because they have nowhere else to go and need to appear to be doing something.

I don't think so.

[Andy3536]

As much as many posters have complained about the cod psychology applied to Kate McCann's body language and display of grief/lack thereof, it's worth remembering that none of us are in any way qualified or informed enough to make any assessment at all of the efficacy or competency of the portugese investigation (not picking on Andy3536 at all, many peeps have complained about the portugese police).

Any perception we in the UK have of the much-maligned portugese police has been carefully crafted by the professionally orchestrated PR campaign the McCann's set in motion immediately following the disappearance (seriously, one of the first things they did was engage a PR company). This campaign continuously portrayed the police as bungling and incompetent.

Just something else to bear in mind....

I belive it's based on a number of other issues aswell. I have not personnaly taken to the McCanns at all.
I think the competance of the police was put into question when the british forensics got called to help.
And also the most worrying is that the car they found the blood in was still being used by the family untill the day they left.
Admitidly the genral enquiry may be perfectly well done though.

[Mithrandir]

there seems to be a lot of conflicting information from different papers.

If I rememer the car they hired was after Madelines dissapearance, but another I read was that they continued to use the car (when it should have been impounded and inpected inch by inch)

Anyhow, how did the McCanns sneak out a dead body into the car 25 days in and none of the media notice? Where would they have taken her?
If anything the Portuese might find the McCanns guilty of manslaughter and lock them up, then a few years down the line what if Madeline is found (Like that German or was it Austrain girl?)

now what about the hundreds of other kids who go missing?

[charleski]

Anyhow, how did the McCanns sneak out a dead body into the car 25 days in and none of the media notice?

You might as well ask how they could have disguised a rotting human body for 25 days in a Portugese summer.

The forensic evidence is tripe. The chances of a lab being able to distinguish the DNA of a child from that of a parent is minimal.

What we're seeing is a police force that is under pressure and has nowhere else to go. It's still a very bad show.

[JPreston]

I belive it's based on a number of other issues aswell. I have not personnaly taken to the McCanns at all.
I think the competance of the police was put into question when the british forensics got called to help.
And also the most worrying is that the car they found the blood in was still being used by the family untill the day they left.
Admitidly the genral enquiry may be perfectly well done though.

Definitely the tabloids from the very beginning were critical of the police - the inexperience of the local police in comparision to UK police filled the front pages (in the absence of any real developments). The idea that there was a british pretty middle class white child, in jeopardy due to the bungling ineffectiveness of the euro police had resonance at the time (as though we are lucky that our own police should be that much more experienced in investigating child abductions!).

That's crazy the car wasn't impounded straightaway though. And I do think the parents should have been suspects from the outset, as would hopefully be the case in the UK, if only to eliminate them.

Does anybody know if blood tests have been taken from the twins at any point, to see if they had been sedated at any time? And what is the legal situation about doing that, presumably parental consent would be necessary in normal cases....but with the parents as suspects, what happens?