Music banned, what next...books?

[Nick]

What's wrong with taking Es?

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, however... TEH BANZ0R IT NOW!

And as for Golden Brown by the Stranglers, I'd ban it twice. Once for hinting that its ok to strangle people, and once for being about heroin. And once for being ****. So thats 3 times.

hehe, as far as I'm aware, and I admit I've done about as much research as your average Daily Mail journo, but LSD has never had anyone dropping dead within half an hour or so of taking it... sure, it's made people think they're being attack by rabid giant bats or attempting to fly from a 6th floor window but it's not the drug physiological effects that kill... unlike E which is pretty much a lottery.

And Golden Brown? Well, sure, it's a drug song but it's damn sight more subtle than "TAKE E's COS THEY'RE TEH R0X0R!!!11!!one!!" and hardly incites using smack.

But back to the main topic, there's been a mass of songs advocating doing one thing or another... and the question is, where's the line to be drawn?

For example, should we ban lyrics like "Kill the PM"? If so, surely "Overthrow the government" comes into that category too?

And surely the context of the lyric should be taken into account, otherwise Bomb the Bass would have cello players checking under their cars every morning?

[strutter]

Politically correctness gone mad. The UK is fast becomming one of the most restrictive and hipocritical countries on the planet - BAH!

I do love being British, and so many things about our culture but it's going to get to the point when the cons outweigh the pro's!

I still think this 'MP3' thing is still blown out of proportion - technology has gotten better so really is the same as 'taping off the wireless'!

We're more afraid of offending minority groups of society than our own people - I hope that doesn't sound too discriminative. Sort it out Britain!

It's like playing Grand Theft Auto - the clues in the title - if you don't like 'stealing cars' or the idea of it, then leave it the f*ck alone!

If you're gay and offended by an album called Poof Daddy and the Bum Brigade - get a life!

[Stewart]

E is in no way a lottery, is one of the most safe illegal drugs, and you sir are a middle aged, middle class, middle of the road, uninformed geezer, banging on about something which you know less than nowt about.

Seriously, Es are well safe innit.

[nichomach]

I think the lyrics are pretty unequivocal in this case. NB: Nasty stuff.

World is in trouble
Anytime Buju Banton come
Batty bwoy get up an run
At gunshot me head back
Hear I tell him now crew

(Its like) Boom bye bye
Inna batty bwoy head
Rude bwoy no promote no nasty man
Dem haffi dead
Boom bye bye
Inna batty bwoy head
Rude bwoy no promote no nasty man
Dem haffi dead

(Two man) Hitch up on an rub up on
An lay down inna bed
Hug up on another
Anna feel up leg
Send fi di matic an
Di Uzi instead
Shoot dem no come if we shot dem--...

And so on and so on... I don't think that there's any doubt that it goes well beyond opinion and into speech as conduct.

[Nick]

Black list? BLACK LIST? B-L-A-C-K L-I-S-T?

Black list as in bad, wrong, negative. Black as in black man. So what it really means is white powah!

Ban this.

Hmm... so what about the MOBO awards?

Surely, if we're being even about it, we should have MOWO awards, exclusively for white people?

And MOAO for Oriental races...

And MODO for disabled people...

The list goes on.

And in that vein, does anyone else feel that stuff like the MOBOs is, essentially, racist?

I mean, surely it's time that we all realised that to truly overcome racism you HAVE to IGNORE race, removing it from the equation. I personally don't 'see' race or colour, I just see the person. I feel that stuff like the MOBO awards do little than perpetuate some kind of perceived colour divide which, if we could get past colour and race, would cease to exist.

and now my poor white-honky brain hurts.

[Stewart]

But the point Nichy is that all rap goes on about illegal stuff. Drugs, guns, more drugs, pimpin ho's, guns, drugs, and even more drugs.

So do you ban any song which has lyrics about illegal activities?

It is, sir, a slope, and not just a normal slope, but a slippery one.

[iranu]

Incitement to violence is a criminal offence and should be punished but inciting hatred is just bollocks. What's more you can expect a maximum of 7 years for it if these proposals go through.

Inciting hatred against gays could lead to 7 years in prison - Times Online

The law is spreading too to include the religious and religions.

How can hatred be a crime?

[nichomach]

But the point Nichy is that all rap goes on about illegal stuff. Drugs, guns, more drugs, pimpin ho's, guns, drugs, and even more drugs.
So do you ban any song which has lyrics about illegal activities?
It is, sir, a slope, and not just a normal slope, but a slippery one.

There's a difference between saying "I'm hard because I've got a gun/all the hoes go wild for me/I like crack" and saying "go out and kill people because they're gay/black/asian/whatever". It's not about whether the song is about illegal activities; I could say "E's are perfectly safe, I take them and I think other people should try them" and even if they did, that choice on their part wouldn't necessarily even harm themselves, let alone anyone else. On the other hand, were I to say "I'd like to shoot a gay/black/asian/whatever person, and you should too" that's advocating an action which cannot be undertaken without another person being harmed. It's an instruction to kill. I'd point out that a similar instruction to kill a specific person is already illegal. Were I to point to a random person in Canal Street or wherever and say "Kill that gay" to you (or anyone else) and you, or they, did, I would be guilty of murder as a principal in the second degree (see: Accomplice - CrimeLine ).

[TheAnimus]

E is in no way a lottery, is one of the most safe illegal drugs, and you sir are a middle aged, middle class, middle of the road, uninformed geezer, banging on about something which you know less than nowt about.

Seriously, Es are well safe innit.

The irony been the most dangerous part of it is the fact you don't know where its been made, who buy, how its been stored etc.

There was a loverly stat this current government had at one point which was that you where more likely to catch a cold (which remeber can be quite serious) from e, than have an alergic reaction, this is because of how badly they've been packaged.

The problem is due to them been illegal, you never know which steps of quality control have been skipped, its entirely possible to make a placebo base that could hard you.

I couldn't even begin to understand how this goverment gave stoners a step up, something which causes a frightening large number of mental illness. Yet something which is generally considered a better drug to abuse than alcohol, which could be taxed so easily..... oh well.

[Stewart]

There's a difference between saying "I'm hard because I've got a gun/all the hoes go wild for me/I like crack" and saying "go out and kill people because they're gay/black/asian/whatever". It's not about whether the song is about illegal activities; I could say "E's are perfectly safe, I take them and I think other people should try them" and even if they did, that choice on their part wouldn't necessarily even harm themselves, let alone anyone else. On the other hand, were I to say "I'd like to shoot a gay/black/asian/whatever person, and you should too" that's advocating an action which cannot be undertaken without another person being harmed. It's an instruction to kill. I'd point out that a similar instruction to kill a specific person is already illegal. Were I to point to a random person in Canal Street or wherever and say "Kill that gay" to you (or anyone else) and you, or they, did, I would be guilty of murder as a principal in the second degree (see: Accomplice - CrimeLine ).

I get your point, but peeps like Snoop Dog have been raping about 187s (murder) on the police for decades. If you ban any song about killing batty boys, then you have to ban songs about shooting up the po-lice, and shooting up anyone else.

Who decides whats just some geezer giving it the big one, and whats incitment to kill?

[Stewart]

The irony been the most dangerous part of it is the fact you don't know where its been made, who buy, how its been stored etc.

There was a loverly stat this current government had at one point which was that you where more likely to catch a cold (which remeber can be quite serious) from e, than have an alergic reaction, this is because of how badly they've been packaged.

The problem is due to them been illegal, you never know which steps of quality control have been skipped, its entirely possible to make a placebo base that could hard you.

I couldn't even begin to understand how this goverment gave stoners a step up, something which causes a frightening large number of mental illness. Yet something which is generally considered a better drug to abuse than alcohol, which could be taxed so easily..... oh well.

Yeah, thats all true, and you do need a good source who you trust. Or an E testing kit.

I wouldn't take a pill from someone I didn't know, because as you say, you don't know whats in it.

[nichomach]

I get your point, but peeps like Snoop Dog have been raping about 187s (murder) on the police for decades. If you ban any song about killing batty boys, then you have to ban songs about shooting up the po-lice, and shooting up anyone else.
Who decides whats just some geezer giving it the big one, and whats incitment to kill?

It's a good point; I'd suggest that if a form of music is simply chronicling what's going on (say describing an ongoing situation of violence) that's different to expressing advocacy of and approval for that violence, or trying to incite violence where there isn't any.

[TheAnimus]

It's a good point; I'd suggest that if a form of music is simply chronicling what's going on (say describing an ongoing situation of violence) that's different to expressing advocacy of and approval for that violence, or trying to incite violence where there isn't any.

Is F**K the poolieeece a chronical of on going violence?

[Blitzen]

Macc Lads anyone? (google them if you have never heard them)

Totally offensive but enormously amusing because they dont pick on anyone in particular.

They pick on EVERYONE

[schmunk]

I'd point out that a similar instruction to kill a specific person is already illegal. Were I to point to a random person in Canal Street or wherever and say "Kill that gay" to you (or anyone else) and you, or they, did, I would be guilty of murder as a principal in the second degree (see: Accomplice - CrimeLine ).

"Let him have it", indeed...

[nichomach]

The Bentley case is contentious for a number of reasons, not least the possibility that the phrase was never actually said. As to what was meant by it, even if it was said, that's equivocal at best.