Do you believe Global Warming is just another stealth tax?

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he would say that now he's had his money from Shell wouldnt he...

[Sinizter]

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | EU 'should ban inefficient cars'

They can piss off. That basically messes with most of the nicer more luxurious cars out there.

[greenalien]

Just a few of the delights facing us in the future...
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Climate set for 'sudden shifts'

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Just a few of the delights facing us in the future...
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Climate set for 'sudden shifts'

Yes the icecaps melting is a tipping point, I wouldnt call it human induced climate change tho, were just effecting a naturally occuring thing.

[Phillikon]

The ludicrous thing is, is that we are all creating more of these greenhouse gasses by having to work all the extra hours to pay the taxes imposed upon us to prevent the same greenhouse gasses in the first place.

Comical isn't it.

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Yeah, also comical is the fact they want us all to use "spare" CPU cycles to predict this stuff, which in turn uses more power, where is it that the power comes from again?

[chicken]

The ludicrous thing is, is that we are all creating more of these greenhouse gasses by having to work all the extra hours to pay the taxes imposed upon us to prevent the same greenhouse gasses in the first place.

Comical isn't it.

Yeah, also comical is the fact they want us all to use "spare" CPU cycles to predict this stuff, which in turn uses more power, where is it that the power comes from again?

Haha! Two good points there!

[IBM]

Yes the icecaps melting is a tipping point, I wouldnt call it human induced climate change tho, were just effecting a naturally occuring thing.

I keep hearing in reports that climate change as a result of human activities is supported by the 'bulk' of climate scientists. It's in that article about the anticipated 'sudden shifts' in weather systems as well. I'm just wondering where you get your information from that makes you confident to disagree with the majority of climate scientists?

Perhaps you're one of those sucked in by things like this....

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I keep hearing in reports that climate change as a result of human activities is supported by the 'bulk' of climate scientists. It's in that article about the anticipated 'sudden shifts' in weather systems as well. I'm just wondering where you get your information from that makes you confident to disagree with the majority of climate scientists?

Perhaps you're one of those sucked in by things like this....

How many scientists used to say the world was flat, or the center of the universe?

Just because lots of them say it doesnt mean its right now does it..

Now while I agree with us recycling and stuff like that no amount of tax will change the fact that the climate changes regardless of what we do we wont stop it, its blind ignorance and humans thinking there great that says it will, well that and the fact that ppl think that if they pay there stealth "green" tax that there doing there part and dont have to change things...

If it was the human race that was the cause of all this climate change why was there an ice age however many billions of years ago where were we with our gas guzzling cars, planes and other eco-killing technologies?

Unless of course all of this has happened before and will happen again?
The Earth gives us a billion years to evolve and get ourselves off of the planet before "Mother Nature" resets itself and the planet dies and we have to start all over again?

[Sinizter]

According to the Mayor many small cars all emitting smaller amounts in London is better for the planet and warms the globe less than one big car. What a bunch of bollocks.

[IBM]

How many scientists used to say the world was flat, or the center of the universe?

So you think that scientists today are as capable of huge oversight than a bunch of guys whose sole qualification was the ability to speak latin and wear long robes? You can honestly compare a bunch of medival scholars to modern day scientists with large amounts of scientific information?

And to go around shouting 'but there's been an ice age before' sounds more like one of the 'flat earth' proponents than someone who listens to reason.

According to the Mayor many small cars all emitting smaller amounts in London is better for the planet and warms the globe less than one big car. What a bunch of bollocks.

And that's just daft. The red ken is saying that lots of smaller cars emitting smaller amounts is better than lots of big cars emitting larger amounts. Why would one person not driving a big car result in lots of people driving small cars?

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And to go around shouting 'but there's been an ice age before' sounds more like one of the 'flat earth' proponents than someone who listens to reason.

So theres not been an Ice Age before then?

What were the 2 films about?

[IBM]

Gee, let me think. Oh yeah, ice ages....of which there have been four by the latest count, the most recent of which occured around 100,000 years ago....No doubt they come around frequently, and maybe we're even overdue for one. But lets go back to the 'Your opinion Vs. Scientific Consensus' concept for a second. What on earth makes you think that you know more than the 'bulk' of environmentalist scientists? Apart from sheer bloody-mindedness of course.

Or maybe you'd just like to shout out Ice Age repeatedly while banging your head against a wall.....which is pretty much what I feel like doing.

And since anything as subtle as a self depreciating comment to remove any insult from my comment would surely sail straight over your head, I shall add

[Sinizter]

And that's just daft. The red ken is saying that lots of smaller cars emitting smaller amounts is better than lots of big cars emitting larger amounts. Why would one person not driving a big car result in lots of people driving small cars?

Because people who dont have to pay the fee are more likely to drive into the zone. There are smaller cars which do not have to pay.

AND THAT IS WHY THERE WILL BE MANY SMALL CARS ..... FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT GIVE UP THEIR LARGER CARS DUE TO THE HIGHER CHARGE.

And no, I did not forget where the caps lock key was.

[IBM]

You do realise that the congestion/emmision charge is already in place, and the number of cars who are elligible for free access to the zone is negligible compared to the total number of cars on the road? And you do realise that people aren't going to all go out and buy Prius because you can get into London for free? And you do realise that the number of cars affected by the new charge is rather more than 'ONE OR TWO'? And do you realise that the use of the caps key is reserved for the slow and the childish who have no other way of conveying an argument effectively?

Nighty Night.

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Gee, let me think. Oh yeah, ice ages....of which there have been four by the latest count, the most recent of which occured around 100,000 years ago....No doubt they come around frequently, and maybe we're even overdue for one. But lets go back to the 'Your opinion Vs. Scientific Consensus' concept for a second. What on earth makes you think that you know more than the 'bulk' of environmentalist scientists? Apart from sheer bloody-mindedness of course.

Or maybe you'd just like to shout out Ice Age repeatedly while banging your head against a wall.....which is pretty much what I feel like doing.

And since anything as subtle as a self depreciating comment to remove any insult from my comment would surely sail straight over your head, I shall add

I didnt say I knew more, but, as you've just said there have been at least 4 previous ice ages, so by that we know that the climate changes on its own...
Look at how long scientists have been collecting data on Climate Change and its such a small insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things is it not?
And when you think about the earth being over 4 billion years old what is a few hundred years worth of data on the rainfall and yearly temperature levels, what is that really, its like taking a syringe full of water out of the Ocean and predicting what the water is like in the entire ocean..

Can we agree on that part?

Yes or no?

If no, then you might as well stop here.

If yes, then explain how the previous ice ages occured, what was the cause, what were the indicators that an ice age was coming.
Now, unless in the (say for now) 100,000 years in between ice ages the human race can evolve to the point its at now how can humans be the cause of climate change, were there people similar to us driving round in eco-unfriendly cars?

Now, while I'm saying we are not the cause of climate change I am not and never had said we are having no effect, but if we take the 100,000 years as our rough guesstimate at ice age recurrance I'd say that with our effects taken into hand that 100,000 years would become something more like 95,000 years.

What I will also say, which is on the OP's topic is that no amount of tax will change "Global Warming", I dont think Global Warming is even the right phrase for it, its Climate Change as its not like everywhere is warming up, if it were then where's the Ice Age comign from, surely we'd have more a Desert Age, but anyways, tax, the Government will sit on its happy horse and tax us, not because that tax actually stops Climate Change but because it gives people that feel good factor, I'm rich, I drive a big car, I recycle the odd bits and bobs but nowhere near as much as I could but I pay my tax so I'm doing my bit...
Erm no, thats not true...

What we should be doing is making sure recycling is easy and the same all over the country, not just giving people the option to pay a bit more tax and carry on being eco-nasty...
We should recycle and look after our surroundings and the envoronment, not because we want to stop Climate Change, as theres an Ice Age coming whatever we do but to just be nicer to the planet and leave it in at least a half decent state for our grandkids...

But anyway, I'm sure you'll carry on focusing on the fact I'm no scientist and just carry on beating my head against an ice age wall...