War On Scientology

[yamangman]

I find the thought that someone's post may be their opinion, quite frankly, shocking.

Yes no matter how matter-of-factly it's stated. I'd thought I'd add that for clarity in case anyone mistook him for someone who's an authoritative voice on the matter.

[Agent]

Yes no matter how matter-of-factly it's stated. I'd thought I'd add that for clarity in case anyone mistook him for someone who's an authoritative voice on the matter.

So if you disagree with him, why not point out where he's wrong as opposed to paraphrasing "You're wrong, I know the truth" and not telling anyone what you think that is?

[directhex]

Yes no matter how matter-of-factly it's stated. I'd thought I'd add that for clarity in case anyone mistook him for someone who's an authoritative voice on the matter.

calling scientology a cult isn't my opinion, it's the opinion of mr justice latey, who ruled on a disconnection case in the 1980s:

Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious.... In my judgement it is corrupt, sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has as its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard, his wife and those close to him at the top. It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestioningly, and to those who criticise or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people, especially children and impressionable young people, and indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living and relationships with others.

crucially, this piece of text from a legal ruling at the old bailey was used by the youth Agent referred to in the per-merge thread - yet the City of London officer at the scene determined that such things didn't matter. see Scientology --- Re B & G (Minors) (Custody) for the full text of the B & G (Minors) (Custody) case.

scientology not being a religion (in this country, at any rate) is not my opinion, it's the ruling of the charity commission in 1999. specifically:

That CoS is not charitable as an organisation established for the charitable purpose of the advancement of religion because, having regard to the relevant law and evidence, Scientology is not a religion for the purposes of English charity law.

for the full text of the ruling, read Scientology - Charity Commission (CESNUR)

[directhex]

So if you disagree with him, why not point out where he's wrong as opposed to paraphrasing "You're wrong, I know the truth" and not telling anyone what you think that is?

i need to pay for £7,000 of auditing before he can tell me the truth

[Agent]

i need to pay for £7,000 of auditing before he can tell me the truth

Is that the for E-meter or the E-peen reading though?

[TAKTAK]

i need to pay for £7,000 of auditing before he can tell me the truth

i'm not really for the whole singular word post so: well done

[G4Z]

Hex I actually entirely agree with your post above, Scientology is a cult and this prosecution is really bizzare and very worrying.

I think its high time we had an investigation into chief superintendent Ken Stewart, imo accepting 'gifts' from anybody when your wearing a police uniform is bribery and I thought it was customary to come down hard on that in this country?


Now, I am going to go back to the point that for some reason Hex does not want me to make. If we consider Scientology to be a dangerous cult, and we don't want them corrupting our police force or having undue (or any, quite frankly) influence in our society. How can we not say the same about chrstianity when we have bishops in the lords who have just been attempting to ban potentially revolutionary stem cell research?

Hex, before you state that the scientologists are charging people to be brainwashed yet again let me direct you to this fun little adventure :

1,000 say no to new academy - JournalLive

£30m academy is given thumbs up - JournalLive

Coming direct from the evangelical Peter Vardy Emanuelle schools foundation who are building another city academy at a cost of 2million to the ESF who then get to pick the contractor who builds it. The tax payer chucks in the other 28mil and 90% of the running costs while Peter Vardys brother picks up the construction contract through his firm and they make out with a cool profit and a school to pedal their crazy bronze age myths. That to me is every bit as dangerous as scientology and I think any cult (and Christianity is a 'death cult') and any superstition should be vigorously opposed.

Good on this kid for standing up for common sense!

[Agent]

Good on this kid for standing up for common sense!

Indeed. And considering he's under 18, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the guy.

Quoting court cases to the police when they had a word with him? Fantastic.

[pollaxe]

Cu*ts are everywhere, apparent*y.

[directhex]

Hex I actually entirely agree with your post above, Scientology is a cult and this prosecution is really bizzare and very worrying.

I think its high time we had an investigation into chief superintendent Ken Stewart, imo accepting 'gifts' from anybody when your wearing a police uniform is bribery and I thought it was customary to come down hard on that in this country?

Now, I am going to go back to the point that for some reason Hex does not want me to make. If we consider Scientology to be a dangerous cult, and we don't want them corrupting our police force or having undue (or any, quite frankly) influence in our society. How can we not say the same about chrstianity when we have bishops in the lords who have just been attempting to ban potentially revolutionary stem cell research?

Hex, before you state that the scientologists are charging people to be brainwashed yet again let me direct you to this fun little adventure :

1,000 say no to new academy - JournalLive

£30m academy is given thumbs up - JournalLive

Coming direct from the evangelical Peter Vardy Emanuelle schools foundation who are building another city academy at a cost of 2million to the ESF who then get to pick the contractor who builds it. The tax payer chucks in the other 28mil and 90% of the running costs while Peter Vardys brother picks up the construction contract through his firm and they make out with a cool profit and a school to pedal their crazy bronze age myths. That to me is every bit as dangerous as scientology and I think any cult (and Christianity is a 'death cult') and any superstition should be vigorously opposed.

Good on this kid for standing up for common sense!

state-funded fundamentalist schools make a mockery of our world-class secular education.

but that shouldn't infringe on the rights of people to believe whatever they want to, whether it be space aliens or holy zombies or the easter bunny

[pollaxe]

state-funded fundamentalist schools make a mockery of our world-class secular education.

Hear, hear.

but that shouldn't infringe on the rights of people to believe whatever they want to, whether it be space aliens or holy zombies or the easter bunny

Very true and shouldn't it also extend to people who want to call a 'religion' a cult when the law is on their side (apparently)?

[G4Z]

Indeed hex, in an ideal world I would say that yes believe what you want to believe.

I am starting to get to the point though whereby I am thinking the only way for humanity to keep progressing and not regress back to another dark age is to challenge these stupid and baseless ideas and ultimately destroy them. It feels to me like secularism is under siege by religion at the moment, you have islamists on one side, evangelicals on another then you have the freaky deaky scientologists in there as well. I think part of my thinking at the moment is a bit jaded by a video I watched yesterday that I have to say entirely ruined my day.

The video was of a young girl being stoned to death by her brothers and it was sickening, I would post the link but I don't want to ruin anybody else's day. That video got me thinking though that no matter what the religious apologists say, that kind of thing is directly caused by islam and ignorance, people thinking they have the right to decide 'gods will' and how to punish people, I mean if god is so powerful why does he need bouncers on earth? I am not making a point about islam only here, christianity and other religions have this kind of crime on their hands as well (witch burning for example).

[staffsMike]

The video was of a young girl being stoned to death by her brothers and it was sickening, I would post the link but I don't want to ruin anybody else's day. That video got me thinking though that no matter what the religious apologists say, that kind of thing is directly caused by islam and ignorance, people thinking they have the right to decide 'gods will' and how to punish people, I mean if god is so powerful why does he need bouncers on earth? I am not making a point about islam only here, christianity and other religions have this kind of crime on their hands as well (witch burning for example).

Ahhh so called "honour killings", what a wonderful thing they are It really.. grinds my gears.. when i read about them in the paper. Disgusting. I've recently become far more aware of the unfairness to women in such cultures, even under our very noses, very saddening.

Sick as it is, you have to love the irony of witch trials. If she floats.. kill her she's a witch. If she drowns? Oops.. Hmmm .. well at least she wasn't a witch and can go to heaven. lol

As for scientology.. I've just watched all the anonymous video's, quite kool.. epsecially if they do something effective.. like release details of level 11 or whatever these clowns are trying to reach.

[CaseyV9]

I wish the hackers would hurry up and take the scienentologist's down.

How they harrass and destroy people is bad enough, but when they do it legally, that's very bad news.
Whatever way you look at it, they shouldn't be allowed this kind of power.

[directhex]

I wish the hackers would hurry up and take the scienentologist's down.

How they harrass and destroy people is bad enough, but when they do it legally, that's very bad news.
Whatever way you look at it, they shouldn't be allowed this kind of power.

website trashing was stopped as a tactic pretty early on in the current anti-scientology movement, following the release of a video by long-time critic mark bunker, who urged a legal campaign of protests and campaigns (e.g. to remove tax-exempt status) rather than teh haxx0rage of websites

[directhex]

YouTube - BBC News on EpicNoseGuy's court summons

EpicNoseGuy gets some coverage by mainstream media. good thing or bad? you decide