By the same token, what they need to ask is "What school would you prefer your child to go to? Non-Religious, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc"
Asking someone if they consider themselves a Christian doesn't answer whether they want their child in a religious school or not.
70% may believe in the bible but they may not necessarily want their kid's school to be influenced by this.
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The criticism of the last census is that it lumped the religious question immediately after the ethnicity one, which implies that everyone has a religion in the same way that they have an ethnicity. Eg I'm white british thank you very much, and am I sikh/muslim/xtian/hindu.....that'll be xtian then.Originally Posted by Lucio
Depending on which survey you believe it's actually between 5% and 10% of the people in the UK that attend a religious service - of any denomination at all - once a week or more often.
Given that there are so many Jedi Knights on the census, and that communities drawn from predominantly muslim countries appear to be much more observant than xtians, I would say that if we estimate 5% of the country as being xtian we would be extremely generous. There are probably more lesbians in the country than xtians, and I know who I'd rather live next to
True, there is obviously room to argue the census had some flaws in it's survey method, but nothing on the scale as those you get from working from a small sample and extraoplating.The criticism of the last census is that it lumped the religious question immediately after the ethnicity one, which implies that everyone has a religion in the same way that they have an ethnicity. Eg I'm white british thank you very much, and am I sikh/muslim/xtian/hindu.....that'll be xtian then.
Depending on which survey you believe it's actually between 5% and 10% of the people in the UK that attend a religious service - of any denomination at all - once a week or more often.
Given that there are so many Jedi Knights on the census, and that communities drawn from predominantly muslim countries appear to be much more observant than xtians, I would say that if we estimate 5% of the country as being xtian we would be extremely generous. There are probably more lesbians in the country than xtians, and I know who I'd rather live next to
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Religion is a failure.
My parents tried to force me to follow their religion and sent me off to stupid religious classes every saturday.
Putting me in a place full of retards surprisingly didnt work. Athiesm and science got the better of me.
I wish I could live in a country where all religions are banned.
Religion is good when it teaches kindness etc - not the intolerant, or silly creationist versions.
I remember my local church running free creches and childcare,
the youth club etc none of which rammed any sort of preaching down your throat, or even required you to go to the church...
Churches used to be the centre of communities, and while they have lost that - there really hasn't been a replacement nowadays.
IMO religion should have no place in our government or education.
RE classes should be replaced with Critical Thinking classes. In those classes religion of each kind can then be studied objectively after the child has learnt to think properly for themselves. This would help in their education as well. The child is then in a much better position to judge for themselves what they wish to believe and whatever religion they wish to follow or not.
Parents who force (and I have chosen that word carefully and deliberately because that is what it is) their children to believe one doctrine or dogma just because they do are harming their children.
I used to hate RE because I was forced to do it. I would have gotten a severe rollicking from my non-religious parents simply because they were the sought that thought the school was right in everything. As self confirmed atheist from the age of 10, aswell as being a confident and somewhat lippy little bastard, I questioned everything in every RE class and why I was learning something that was rubbish and could not be proven.
I argued that I could be doing something better with my time rather than going down to the church and drawing a glass window or doing brass-rubbings or learning stuff from works of fiction without any thought whatsoever. I was threatened with various punishments and even endured some physical ones due to the shear nastiness of the women teachers involved all of whom were part of the History dept and a right bunch of hags they were too. No doubt they didn't like an 11 year old showing them how ridiculous their faith was by asking the simplest of questions.
Infact I've just found my first year RE book and it is nothing but parroting and copying the buybull by rote. You can see that after 15 pages in my book that I couldn't give a flying ****. There is absolutely no objectivity in the work at all, it is simply learning parts of the bible. And Miss Eldford can go **** herself
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Perhaps the most telling statement in your post?And Miss Eldford can go **** herself
Oh she made Julie T Wallace in "Life and Loves of She Devil" (BBC drama -1986) look like a cross between Mother Teresa and Kylie Minogue, and I don't mean an old lady with a fine booty and some fancy dance moves! Infact that is the first time I've expressed such an opinion since.
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Well, you have to ask yourself, if children are not taught about different religions, then how will they ever have any freedom of choice? They certainly won't get an unbiased opinion from a church if they ask questions.
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i like the idea of abolishing them in principle, but what would you replace them with?
in my area, and my school was infact, a "religious" school. it was also a "beacon" school and one of the best ("public") schools around...
for whatever reason, they do tend to provide a better education than state funded schools, hence why the demand to gain entry to them is so high.
i am all for higher education standard but also the moral aptitude that goes with them, also on the ability of the institution to actively descriminate on the admitance policy to keep those out whom they do not want in.
Wetherspoons?
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I bet the religious nuts would soon have something to say if schools started teaching about unicorns and fairies and their tax money was funding it. Just a thought.
I'm going to bump this because of the Dispatches (In God's name) programme shown on Channel 4 the other night. Did anyone else see it? You can view it at Channel 4 if you wish
At the start of the show (about 5-10 mins) they showed a primary school where a young girl was about to take a "science" exam. What were the questions like?
How long did it take God to create Heaven. Answer: 1 day.
How long did it take God to create the Universe. Answer: 6 days.
There was also a "science" booklet that said that when the astronauts went to the moon they found the moon to be 4-10,000 years old, the same age as the Earth.
There are 45 of these schools in Britain and they tend to get their "learning" material from the US. There was also some heavy indoctrination of young children too. It was sickening to watch. So how can these schools be peddling this nonsense and be within the national curriculum as a lot of people have stated here. Why aren't school inspectors closing places like this or do they not have any jurisdiction over private faith schools? Bear in mind also that Blair wanted more faith schools, it seems there is a back door to teaching this rubbish and at a very early age too.
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What kind of school was that then? I doubt that Blair was speaking about whatever strange variation on faith these schools were.
These are not science questions, these are religious questions, I'm a christian and i believe in creation, but i think there is nothing wrong with teaching the big bang theory and stuff in a science classroom, and teaching creation in an RE classroom
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