That's out of ****ing order, period.Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408
That's disgusting and not respecting Michael Jackson at all!i'm appalled they even considered let alone published....
for a guess it was run past his family 1st..
says it all really.
And now everyone cashes in. And the really screwed up thing is, I bet that will sell crapload of copies.That's disgusting and not respecting Michael Jackson at all!
I bet they get some stick for that.
Can't see it personally.
am not offended. only ones offended are the living, and they're not the 'victim'
same as with Diana, there is this great outpouring of grief, and while there's grief for when someone close dies, in these celebrity cases IMHO it's simply about self, mourning the loss of an element of one's own identity / history.
after all, the same media machine that created Michael, that enabled any of us to have any clue who he was outside his music, is the same machine continuing to make cash out of him. Can't expect one without the other (i.e that it wouldn't kick into overdrive at anything newsworthy).
I remember all the bitterness at Diana's funeral towards the press, yet it was the same press that gave the public any inkling of who she was, that enabled so many to form a 'relationship' with her.
ho hum. no offense meant, of course.
One can never stop saying Thank You
First of all, who said that doctors are not as respected/more respected? Secondly, the 'limelight' is not a measurement of respect, but the number of people who will be missing him (or his work). A doctor, fireman, policeman, etc., by the nature of their job, can't affect as many people as a successful entertainer. That's not to say that their influences are of lesser importance, far from it, but it does mean that their 'fan base' will be smaller. People will mourn for the ones who had a impact on their lives. And I am guessing that most fans relates to their favourite artists via their work. Perhaps it provided them with good memories from when they grew up etc. If you can't relate to that, then that'd explain why you equals him to the guy you barely know down your street. For his fans though, he provided them with more the unnamed man down your street.
But supposed this unnamed man did pass away and someone was to make a thread about him. I would probably not post anything due to not having any connection to the man, but I would -certainly- not make a post saying why X and Y is more deserving of respect/attention.
Last edited by TooNice; 28-06-2009 at 11:31 PM.
j.o.s.h.1408 (29-06-2009)
The man's legend comes from his music, not his character. Whether you like the man or not, his popularity stems from his music. You cannot deny that Michael Jackson was good at what he did for a profession (entertainer/artist). Did he molest children? I don't know I was never there for that so believe what you want; I'm not going to touch that subject. While the guy has suffered some major medical issues (his immune diseased caused his skin color to change drastically and his nose was like that because of a severe injury he sustained attempting to do a dance move), his background, voice, and choices make me back away from him.
If not for the man who died, at least pay some respect to his work, it was good while it lasted.
Yeah ok he was a good entertainer, but its not like he found a cure to cancer. Sure he's done enough to desserve headlines here and there but the media are taking it to such an extent that its turning into a cash cow, espicially as far as the papers are concerned atleast. I can see this (and have seen this) going on for atleast another week in the press, is this really necessary, cant we just move on?
Also the unknown man down the street diddnt have fans, but his wife did.
Again, apple and oranges isn't it? What has a cure for cancer got to do with an entertainer? It is reported because it is big. Big in the sense that yes, he had/has *a lot of fans*. When fans move on, the press will do the same. I do believe that there are people who are genuinely mourning from their heart, and frankly speaking, a week (if it even last that long) is not even that long as far as mourning goes. This goes hand in hand with that fact that people will miss the man for his work, though I rather suspect not as much as a member of their family for obvious reasons. I would not tell someone mourning for his dog that 'It's just a dog, or there are more accomplished/more useful dogs out there'. Objectively, it may well be the case, and perhaps I have less attachment to dogs compared to many, just as you seem to have less attachment than average to entertainers. That's fine and all, but again, I re-iterate, I would not tell people when to move on so soon (if they don't want to). If people are still mourning in a month's time, then sure, I'll suggest that they seek help, but it's only been half a week.
Last edited by TooNice; 29-06-2009 at 01:03 AM.
I was mereley using the cure to cancer thing as an example of something that would actually impact lives in more ways than one. MJ was mereley an entertainer and therefor i dont see why people are going so far with this. My original point being its unfair to give this attention to just one man when there are many other hundreds out there dieing on a daily basis, im sure they have collectivley done much more for our society than MJ. And lets be honest if there are allegations of him touching young children there must be elements true, why would such a man be idolized?
Ofcourse the mourning will go on much longer, but all this media coverage wont be making it any easier for people to actually come to terms with it if thier repeating the same thing for so long. Hell i'de feel sorry for someone who lived in a house with both digitol and analogue TV blasting out the same news channel at the same time.
You seem think that one should mourn relative to what the deceased have accomplished in their lifetime. The point you are missing is that people do not need to justify why/how much they are mourning. It is an emotional, human reaction. I do not see people at funerals go 'Well, this guy's only a farmer, a minor one at that, we've been mourning for 10 minutes, and given to the number of attendees and relative to what Thomas Edison have contributed to humanity and his own funeral, *takes out calculator*, yeah, we've already been here 2 minutes too long'.
No, it does not (obviously assuming you mean the inappropriate sort of 'touching'). I do not know if he ever did anything to those children. If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, then that's another matter, but you are basically saying that if a person's on trial must at least be part guilty
j.o.s.h.1408 (29-06-2009)
This sums it up in one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_aytFC6BB4
It's Micheal Jackson, it doesn't matter what he was accused of, or what mental state he was in, it's the fact it was someone, whose WHOLE LIFE has been entertaining us, and he did it at a breathtaking quality, which to put it frank, is unbeatable, and will always be unbeatable. If he wasn't anything special, he would not have the fanbase he currently has, and with years and years of child molesting accusations, and at the end of it, your fan base is bigger than anyone elses (some just doing it to go on the bandwagon), well, you got to be pretty special to do that.
Personally, MJ was the top of the Famous list, not only in music, but in celebs too.
No one will get close, or even near, to what he accomplished.
I don't like the fact that he has now become a Legend when he has died, because his life has been total hell when he was alive, if he is a Legend, he should of been a Legend when he was alive to appriciate it, and even though he had tens of millions at his disposal, I think MJ is the perfect example of how in some situations, money will never ever help. He needed help, and he didn't get it maybe due to him not allowing others into his life, or maybe he did get help, but the ones who got close just made money from him. He was a pretty secretive guy, even his kids being covered, and you have to respect him for that, and It's one of the reasons why he was so damn famous, he was special, you could not just approach him, and he would not just go on a chatshow, he was a high ranking person, and it made him massive.
He looked like a freak, but It's how he felt, and when you listen to his songs and even just look at videos or pictures of him, he just isn't happy, and he might not be directing the lyrics at himself, but it's all about him.
Last edited by SammEl; 29-06-2009 at 02:41 AM.
I refer back to my original post on the matter, thats my opinion so im done here.
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