Some of the **** my English teacher had to endure from my so called "classmates" was shocking and just plain nasty.
But without knowing the whole story, we can't really comment can we. But it's funny how the media never takes notice of students who physically assault teachers.
Its a forum, so I guess folks are allowed to say what they wish. I am sure people are speaking based very much on previous cases similar to this. Though, yes it is bad but better to be honest than just think it.Originally Posted by TooNice
Trolley rage and a flick to the nuts.
You owe it to yourself to click here really.
I, like other people in this thread am reserving judgement until it is clear what the kid actually did. The BBC coverage of the incident has so far been totally one-sided. The evening news on the night of the incident had interviews with parents going off on one about bad teachers.
They can say what they want within the rules of the forum, but I still don't get how anyone can jump to conclusions so quickly based based on some vague generalisation in their mind. There are kids who needs disciple, but for all we know, the victim here was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
And again, beating the crap out of them is well beyond any reasonable sort of discipline. I have a lot of respect for people who choose to teach as a profession. But any teachers who would find it funny to see a video of students getting beaten up does not deserve their position in my opinion.
I understand both sides of the argument when it comes to corporal punishments, but a line should still be drawn somewhere. Jokes aside, I honestly don't see the amount of force required to cause a serious conditions to be justified unless the kid was threatening the teacher (in a credible manner).
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Looks like a pleasant enough lad to me.
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I wasn't thinking of right or wrong. I just think that sooner or later something like this would happen. If this happened because the kid pushed the teacher too far then I cannot really sympathize with the kid. You would never find me hitting someone or beating them except in self defence myself. And if I did it out of anger then you would need to give me a load of crap for me to lash out. Which is unlikley as I would have already walked away and left it well alone.
And I have found myself walking away from kids a lot. I get so much crap from young kids simply waiting at the bus stops at night. It has got to the point where you cannot go some places to wait for a bus because these gits start on you. I would hate to think what it would be like trying to teach these kids in a classroom.
As I always think to myself on such an evening, one day someone is going to turn around and give them a taste of their own medicine.
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Any news updates on this?
On the evidence presented thus far, I reckon the teacher will get off on a diminished responsibility plea, and the kid will have learned a valuable lesson about the correct way to treat people. So all's well that ends well (probably).
wow what a crazy world we live in
I may expect that between a thug and wannabe thug, but the circumstances here are different. You can't give someone a fractured skull and bleeding in the brain without intentional, possibly aggravated assault. I would expect a video of the attack to be nothing short of shocking due to the brutality.[..]As I always think to myself on such an evening, one day someone is going to turn around and give them a taste of their own medicine.
So, what evidence has been presented so far? Based on the little we've seen, I find it highly unlikely that the boy could have done something where such a beating is justified.
Most people seem to condemn the actions here the actions here as 'heavy handed'. Well, what's done here is far much worse. And even if the kid did 'push the teacher too far', I still want to know exactly he's done. Because in the above instance, one could argue that those people pushed the policemen too far simply by being there.
I am still interested in what exactly made the teacher snap.
My comment on that Youtube video was a sarcastic comment mocking what it would be like if the teacher played young thug.
But such a video may not be that brutal. It probably wouldn't take much to for a man to inflict those injurys on a child. He could have just lost it for a matter of seconds and hit him a few times before calming down.
OK I'm going to say it TooNice and others like you with similar attitudes that violence never solves a problem are the cause of the vast majority of the problems this country is currently going through.
You say "There are kids who needs disciple" how do you suggest they do that? Isolation, lines, being sent home???? NO they need physical punishment, and i mean something very painful. we used to have the cane, it hurt and as a consequence you didn't want it again. These days you have what ............ absolutely nothing!
The teachers can do nothing, the police can do nothing, youth detention - pointless./ The assumption that children are totally innocent and need respect is in my opinion wrong. Kids aged 12-18 are currently untouchable, and they know it.
So this teacher lost it, I'm not surprised because the provocation in schools these days is intense. If you think we have to be more lenient to the kids do you think counselling is going to work? NO. I was thinking something like a Tasser would work.
Yes I'm partly trolling but i guarantee you that many people feel the same.
The problem with that is kids today are not so easily afraid. Violence will result in more violence and it will turn into a battlefield of kids Vs teachers.
Why not heavy seditives or mind controling drugs? Or even shock therapy or electrobes attached to them in class.
And as already said by me, Sterilize the ones with behaviour problems. GET THEM YOUNG. They won't know any better. In another 40 years all the crazies would be bred out of society leaving the humans left.
I am quite sure that you would need to hit pretty hard to crack a 14 year's skull. At the very least you would have to hit with the intention to hit of causing serious damage. Either that, or the teacher did not realise how much damage he can do to a 14 years old with his strength, and is still to be blamed.But such a video may not be that brutal. It probably wouldn't take much to for a man to inflict those injurys on a child. He could have just lost it for a matter of seconds and hit him a few times before calming down.
smelly: If this was simply about for/against corporal punishment, then I wouldn't bother to post. I am quite neutral about it. I am hardly known as a troublemaker, yet I grew up in an era/place where the can was no longer used to discipline. But the issue here is not for/against corporal punishment. The issue here is that a teacher used enough force to crack a youth's skull. Who knows what would've happened if he did not receive treatment. If you support that, what next, line them up and shoot them? They never misbehave again.
TooNice,
to be blunt i think it's just unfortunate, I don't think it was pre-meditated murder. I think the kids pushed him too far and he hit out. Like I said it was just unfortunate - the kid probably deserved it I'm thinking.
Shooting is rather extreme, but a Tasser would be fine in my eyes.
Can I ask what you would recommend?
1. If they spill your pint.Under what circumstances is it deemed acceptable to cause enough injury to land someone in hospital other than in self-defence?
2. If they doink your Mrs.
3. If they beat you at Mario Kart Wii
There's 3 easy ones
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