A reminder. Fuel duty increases at midnight.

[Salazaar]

a shame most of the jobs is in london.

That simply isn't true...

I think your a Londoner fanboy

I think if people have a problem with the way London is that they should wake up and smell the roses. Don't like it? Get out. The rest of the country isn't just the same

London's going to remain a craphole as far as driving's concerned as long as people still drive in it, regardless of how much tax we pay.

[DeludedGuy]

I think if people have a problem with the way London is that they should wake up and smell the roses. Don't like it? Get out. The rest of the country isn't just the same

Give me a job, a house and pay someone to look after my grandmother and I will leave London.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

That simply isn't true...



I think if people have a problem with the way London is that they should wake up and smell the roses. Don't like it? Get out. The rest of the country isn't just the same

London's going to remain a craphole as far as driving's concerned as long as people still drive in it, regardless of how much tax we pay.

well improve the transport system and people will drive less. Its not easy just to "get out" as stated by the guy above me.

[Salazaar]

Maybe government should pass some new legislation about road works, how about getting everything done in one go? Thames water has already started doing this, but from what I read not many companies having taken the opportunity to get things done all in one go.

Oh how I wish that they could. 90% of the work my team does is to try and resolve this sort of thing but it's like hearding kittens. Unfortunately there are all sorts of issues which need to be resolved when sharing trenches, like who's going to pay for the work/reinstatement? Who's going to be responsible for the guarantee? Which company is going to alter it's schedules for the other? Who's going to dig the trial holes? The list goes on...

Just because London is busy does not give them the right to charge huge sums of money for parking, most roads they have a 2-3 hour limit for parking your car, so you will have to move it eventually, its not like if they made it cheaper people would be able to park in spot for the whole day.

They'll charge however much the market will put up with, and in a rich town like London, it's a lot!

Oh, and I can not move out of London.

Is anyone putting a gun to your head? 93% of Britain's population manage to not live in London every day.

[BriantheLion]

Hi there. We've heard the various excuses to justify the fuel duty rise. Allegedly they are needed to help fund 'world class services', also, that old lame excuse, reduce CO2 emissions. We know that their plans for expanding Heathrow will do the opposite!

The BBC and other sites yesterday noted that Alistair Darling was making £7 Billion available
to the IMF to help 'emerging economies' and we are also giving £1 Bn a year extra to the EU - to help our competitors' economies.

The spectre of road pricing is still around, even though motorists have been *net* contributors of over £400 Bn since 1997, the government claims that there isn't enough money for road building.

I recommend the Association of British Drivers' 'Fair Deal for Motorists' campaign site - and in particular a page for taking action.

I don't think we should take it lying down.

[Barrichello]

I can only comment about London because it’s where I drive 99% of the time and would be unfair to comment about the whole of UK as I have no real experience of what the roads everywhere else are like.

I have to ask (unless your driving is part of your employment) why do you need to drive anywhere in London? I have lived here all my life and the last thing i have/would ever needs is a car (unless maybe you live extreme zone 5/near the sticks or something?)

[DeludedGuy]

I have to ask (unless your driving is part of your employment) why do you need to drive anywhere in London? I have lived here all my life and the last thing i have/would ever needs is a car (unless maybe you live extreme zone 5/near the sticks or something?)

So because you, with your lifestyle and your family and your job and your friends and your hobbies has never needed a car, it means everyone else does not need one? If that were feasible our roads would be practically empty - only lorries, buses vans and bicycles using the road.

Read all my posts before asking such a silly question and making a silly statement.

[Barrichello]

So because you, with your lifestyle and your family and your job and your friends and your hobbies has never needed a car, it means everyone else does not need one? If that were feasible our roads would be practically empty - only lorries, buses vans and bicycles using the road.

Read all my posts before asking such a silly question and making a silly statement.

About as silly as your statement People need to drive

[Andeh13]

About as silly as your statement People need to drive

Ever tried getting a pushchair & 2 month old baby onto a bus, or god forbid, a tube train? People do need to drive, and even if not, if they've worked hard to get the car why should they then be constantly punished for having it?

[Barrichello]

Ever tried getting a pushchair & 2 month old baby onto a bus, or god forbid, a tube train? People do need to drive, and even if not, if they've worked hard to get the car why should they then be constantly punished for having it?

I see pushchairs on buses (they have an area for that on most London buses) i don't use the Tube personally so can not comment there. Trains i have seen plenty of people using pushchairs, my cousin does with his little ones. All i am saying that in London (which was my main point) you have plenty of options with travel, and also frequently you have shops fairly nearby.

Im not saying people "shouldn't" drive or be "punished" just that people do have choices and don't always need to have to drive. I mean you can tell it stresses people out (road rage) you move about 1 mile a hour, why do it to yourselves? that's all i am saying.

[DeludedGuy]

I see pushchairs on buses (they have an area for that on most London buses) i don't use the Tube personally so can not comment there. Trains i have seen plenty of people using pushchairs, my cousin does with his little ones. All i am saying that in London (which was my main point) you have plenty of options with travel, and also frequently you have shops fairly nearby.

Have you ever tried that in morning at rush hour? I had already pointed this out if you bothered reading.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Have you ever tried that in morning at rush hour? I had already pointed this out if you bothered reading.

guess not

[Barrichello]

Have you ever tried that in morning at rush hour? I had already pointed this out if you bothered reading.

guess not

Why would you be travelling with a 2 month old in London rush hour? seems a strange thing to need to do?

[TAKTAK]

About as silly as your statement People need to drive

Erm... some people do need to drive? how am i supposed to get to work if i don't drive?

The earliest bus from here is ~7:30am, yep that's all fine and dandy, but the journey by bus all the way would be 3hours 20minutes and even then there is a 25 minute walk on the end of that...

meaning that i get to work at 10:52am (excluding the walk) and other mitigating factors, which i don't think my boss would be too pleased about... seeing as though i'm supposed to start at 8:30am...

and then there is also the return journey, which if i finished at 5pm and managed to get to the bus stop in time (25 minute walk remember) then i would have a 5 hour 15 minute bus journey... meaning i would get back home at gone 10:00pm, and that wouldn't even get me home as the last bus in is at 6:30, so if i used public transport i couldn't even get home at night.

Train means a similar story, getting the 7:30 bus to the station, waiting for a train to go to a larger station, waiting for a train to go to a smaller station, and then waiting for a train to take me to the correct station, which then leaves me in the middle of nowhere with a 2 hour walk...

OR, the alternative is to drive and have a ~30 minute car journey... I would say i NEED to drive... Which we offset by car sharing...

Until someone invents a teleporter, or public transport becomes useful and cost effective, i will be driving to work... which i need to do, otherwise i cannot get there...

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Erm... some people do need to drive? how am i supposed to get to work if i don't drive?

The earliest bus from here is ~7:30am, yep that's all fine and dandy, but the journey by bus all the way would be 3hours 20minutes and even then there is a 25 minute walk on the end of that...

meaning that i get to work at 10:52am (excluding the walk) and other mitigating factors, which i don't think my boss would be too pleased about... seeing as though i'm supposed to start at 8:30am...

and then there is also the return journey, which if i finished at 5pm and managed to get to the bus stop in time (25 minute walk remember) then i would have a 5 hour 15 minute bus journey... meaning i would get back home at gone 10:00pm, and that wouldn't even get me home as the last bus in is at 6:30, so if i used public transport i couldn't even get home at night.

Train means a similar story, getting the 7:30 bus to the station, waiting for a train to go to a larger station, waiting for a train to go to a smaller station, and then waiting for a train to take me to the correct station, which then leaves me in the middle of nowhere with a 2 hour walk...

OR, the alternative is to drive and have a ~30 minute car journey... I would say i NEED to drive... Which we offset by car sharing...

Until someone invents a teleporter, or public transport becomes useful and cost effective, i will be driving to work... which i need to do, otherwise i cannot get there...

As they say on the internet, PWNED

[kalniel]

As they say on the internet, PWNED

And here I was thinking Hexus was above that kind of thing. Let's try and keep the discussion mature (not pointed at just you josh).