Stop Islamification of Europe - Should they be allowed to exist?

[Nick Smith]

In the aftermath of yesterday's peaceful protest, which soon turned to be unpeaceful when Muslims and Anti-Facist groups clashed with the small amount of SIOE protesters.
My question is simple, should the group 'SIOE' be allowed to exist?

Whilst they are obviously racist and I think any such behaviour is vile, I do believe that they should be allowed to exist and to run but only for peaceful protests as liberal theories which our country is supposedly based upon says they should be allowed to exist on the grounds of free speech, and if they are wrong the majority will disprove their ideology/ideas/motives as wrong. What do you all think?

[JPreston]

Ooh, this'll be good...

Can we first of all recognise the roles of the different groups protesting in Harrow yesterday - the (claimed non-racist) SIOE and (clearly racist) English Defence League?

Then we have two questions. Should it be legal to protest against the encroachment of islam (or any religion) into UK public discourse? And should obviously racist groups such as EDL be allowed to exist (if they weren't just an encouragement for members to commit crimes, and real violent crimes not 'speech crimes') - should (for example) the BNP be outlawed?

Maybe a third question - should there be such a thing as 'speech crime'? We technically do not have freedom of speech in the UK as they do in America.

[r3loaded]

As I see it, these groups are the equivalent of mosques like Finsbury Park where there are those advocating rather repellent extremist ideas, but are not technically breaking any laws. As long as they don't actually advocated threats or violence, they can stay in their own little holes as far as I'm concerned.

All the same, they need to be kept on watch by police to ensure nothing untoward happpens (this most likely already occurs).

[Barrichello]

My question is simple, should the group 'SIOE' be allowed to exist?

Yes, of course.

[Lucio]

The choice is simple, either a) you tolerate people forming their own cultures or b) you don't.

[0iD]

Should they be allowed to exist?

Yes

Do I like that they exist?

No

[Andeh13]

On the opposite end, something that really did anger me; I was watching it on BBC/Sky news live & watching all the pro-islamic thugs standing around the reporter picking up everything & anything they could find and throwing it at the line of police standing 25m away. Ironically enough, the same police that were there to help monitor & prevent any problems caused by the English Defence league & SIOE).

They were hardly doing their cause any favours & had i been a muslim watching the TV id have been a damn site more hacked off with them, then with some narrow minded protesting.

[Agent]

I was watching it on BBC/Sky news live & watching all the pro-islamic thugs standing around the reporter picking up everything & anything they could find and throwing it at the line of police standing 25m away. Ironically enough, the same police that were there to help monitor & prevent any problems caused by the English Defence league & SIOE).

Absolutely spot on Andehh. I saw this too and was in amazement.

Both sides that were filmed that day were full of thugs just looking for a fight. Religion just happened to be the thing that they could use to justify it.

Idiots are idiots, regardless of what their 'cause' is.

[jim]

Of course they should be allowed to exist... frankly I couldn't give a toss what an organisation's aims is, whether it's the Red Cross or the "Beat up a Ginger Alliance". Mind you, if the Red Cross starting thumping people on the street, then I'd expect the people responsible (for both the acts and any incitement) to be dealt with appropriately. Thought police and the like is very sticky ground.

As for my opinion on them, of course it's disappointing because you don't want that kind of violence going on, the type shown on TV today. But am I surprised? Not particularly.

For the sake of anybody who might pick up on that, I don't mean that from a "sympathy" point of view, just in that I can see where these types of organisations have sprouted from.

[Noxvayl]

Should they be allowed to exist?

Yes

Do I like that they exist?

No

My thoughts exactly.

People should be allowed to openly support their views regardless of what they are. This does cause a problem but a far lesser problem than restricting what the public is allowed to say and do to such extents that they have to have underground groups and such.

The opinions and groups will remain regardless of the action taken, whether it can be used constructively or not is dependant on restrictions set in place for such groups.

[Syd]

Peaceful demonstration is everymans right in a democracy as is fredom of speech.

What we saw on television was neither, it was 1 gang v another and IME the police should be given more rights to apprehend riot inciting individuals whatever flag they wave or religion they cower behind.

[007]

I condemn aggresion and violence, I am not nationalist, islamophobe or racist but IMO ,groups like SIOE are essential for any country in purpose to identify problems and seek for the right balance.However, having been in this country for a few years now, I am actually surprised that they have not been jailed yet .

Anyway... I think it's too late to reduce massive influence of Islam in the UK . It will grow anyway because of demographic changes and the change is going to be funded by British taxpayer, whether you like it or not . And I hope, time prove me wrong as I do not think being non-muslim in muslim country would be a nice experience.

[Agent]

It will grow anyway because of demographic changes....

I think this is the point the recent "Muslim Demographics" video on Youtube was trying to get across, but with the unhidden Christian agenda embedded, which is ironic really.

There is also an article on the BBC about it, along with various others of differing bias around the web arguing both ways.

Demographic changes have, and always will happen. It just depends on which which side of the fence you are as if you see it as positive or negative I guess.

[texasguy]

YES, Hell YES, this and other organizations should be allowed to exist. Not only should they exist but they should be viewed as heroes fighting the front line war against Islamification of their homeland.

If you are a Muslim, and believe in the Koran as all of them do, then you believe in conversion or death! That mentality presents an imminent threat against western civilization. If we are not willing to fight for our culture and heritage, then we might as well have beard patrols, and put our wives and daughters into burk-as now.

The world may not have liked George Bush, but he took a stand against radical Islam, even though under his administration more Muslim's migrated to the U.S. than at any other time in our short history.

Europe is at a cross roads, many European nations need to take a stand against their [B]Boarders[/B], Language's and Culture's being destroyed by the inappropriate influx of Muslim's.

Americas Right wing is finally waking up and marching in the streets, Europe needs to loose it's PEACE and HUG-A-THUG mentality, and fight against the invasion of your Nations.

This is just what one guy in Texas think's.

[wombar]

I think they should be allowed to exist, but only because they have as much right to an opinion/belief as I do. I certainly don't agree with them, but I also believe strongly in a free society where people are allowed to believe as they wish.

It's like other people have said, idiots don't need a cause, they just have a need to cause trouble.

[Mike Fishcake]

Idiots are idiots, regardless of what their 'cause' is.

Quoted for truth.