Stop Islamification of Europe - Should they be allowed to exist?

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Some more choice quotes -

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

[Barrichello]

Did you ever learn that Englands appeassment of Hitler didn't turn out that well either. Spend a Euro, and buy a history book.

Hi, the £ (pound) still works fine here thanks

[TheAnimus]

Hi, the £ (pound) still works fine here thanks

I think he was putting into sharp relief the fact that been american, he can't actually afford a euro anymore. Stable currency is out of their reach

[usxhe190]

I wonder how many SIOE guys go back home after the protest to order curry takeaway from the local Muslim Indian?

[Agent]

Have you ever read the Koran? If so, you either suffer poor reading comprehension, or ignorantly pick and choose which parts of the Koran you want to understand.

Have you ever read the Bible? If so, you either suffer poor reading comprehension, or ignorantly pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to understand.

It works across the board.

[kalniel]

If so, you either suffer poor reading comprehension

Talking of reading/writing comprehension...

those with a different view other than the current liberal agenda

Different other than? Should be different to.

Englands imperalist past

That's England's, and imperialist.

who u are.

You, surely?

commited

Committed.

Did you ever learn that Englands appeassment

England's appeasement.

Spend a Euro, and buy a history book.

Spend a few and learn about the language you claim to speak maybe?

u can't, everyone of them was decapitated, their heads where sawed off by the rusty blade of Islam, the great religion of peace and tollerance.

You, were, tolerance.

"Allah's Apostal said, killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" (Tabari IX:69)

Apostle I believe, but seeing as you're quoting maybe your source is wrong.

Christianity is being dissassembled faster than the World Trade Centers fell. Don't for one second think that the appeassment of these islamofascist will be acheived by just snapping the crosses off of every sacred structure in Europe. Inorder for a Muslim to acheive paradise requires converting you, or killing you. If you choose to have tea with Terrorists thats your choice.

Disassembled, appeasement, in order, achieve, that's.

Please, don't claim that other people are affecting the English language, have poor comprehension and/or are otherwise ignorant without putting your own house in order - at the moment it seems Texas is doing more harm than Islam. (PS, Matthew 7:3-5/Luke 6:41-43. I know, I need to improve too.)

[Barrichello]

I wonder how many SIOE guys go back home after the protest to order curry takeaway from the local Muslim Indian?

Similar numbers to the amount of Muslim rads who hang out and dine at the infidels capitalist western food outlets such as mcdonalds/kfc.

Plenty of halal options now apparently.

[Stanman]

Even if some cultures keep largely to themselves (and IMHO, some do) we have to ask ourselves why? And I suspect it'll be a mix of reasons.

There are, for instance, some significant parts of Luton where, as a white bloke, I've never felt especially welcome. There's a couple of shops where, initially at least, the reaction from Asian staff was .... distant and cool, if not cold. However, as I'm in there a fair bit, now I'm known and the reaction is friendly. So was the original 'cool' reaction because I wasn't Asian, or just because I was a stranger? Dunno, and frankly, don't care. I now get smiles and a pleasant chat ..... though I don't know if it would last if I tried to date the owner's daughter.

On the other hand, friends of mine are Ugandan Asians, who came here as kids when Amin booted them out of Uganda, in the early '70s. When we wonder why many Asians keep themselves to themselves and don't mix too much, it's hardly surprising to anyone that remembers how they were treated when they first arrived here. The general reaction was along the lines of "bleeping Paki, coming here and taking our jobs". Never mind that most of them came here and succeeded because, as in Uganda, they were enterprising folks that damn well worked their cojones off to succeed, in the face of a welcome often distinctly lacking in friendship or sympathy.

So if that generation of Asian immigrants prefer to mix with their own, perhaps it's because that's what we taught them with our welcome?

Another friend of mine is pushing 60, been here nearly all his life, with kids born here, spent most of his formative years in the British army, including more than one tour in Northern Ireland, at the height of the troubles, getting shot at on a regular basis. Yet a couple of years ago, we were on a job together when a "British" youth (skinhead haircut, mock combat fatigues and army boots) took it upon himself to call my mate a long string of very nasty names, about the mildest of which was "coon", together with the N-word several times. He was also referred to in terms I assume were supposed to indicate a West Indian religious grouping, yet he hails from South America.

The UK might not be anything like as racially aware as it was in those days of the Ugandan exodus, but we still have our share of ignorant louts. Small wonder, if you're subjected to that sort of thing, that communities tend to be insular.

I said I doubted my Asian shopkeeper friend would be thrilled if I was trying to date his daughter, but I equally suspect there'd be a large part of respectable white Britain that wouldn't be thrilled if his son was trying to date their white daughter.

Yes, there are immigrant communities that tend to mix largely with their "own", but perhaps it's because they're more comfortable with people that have a similar background, heritage, culture, language and religion ..... and perhaps it's also at least in part because they haven't exactly been welcomed with smiles and open homes by much of the indigenous white population.

And, for that matter, anyone noticed how Brits living abroad tend to cluster together? How there are thriving British ex-pat communities in, for instance, Spain ... and even in parts of the US? It seems when abroad, we tend to do exactly what we moan about when others do it here.

Saracen, what part of Luton you from?

[Stanman]

I am from Luton and think you're being a bit over-sensitive there, my experience is that everyone is happy to take my money with a smile . For example later today I plan to wander through Bury Park for a haircut at a barber's shop where as far as I can work out only one barber speaks enough English to understand what I ask for, on the basis that they are open all hours and charge only £4. These are obviously the very same shops that you've felt unwelcome in so I reckon the hyper-awareness of race rested predominatly with you....just a thought. As a corollary there are many, many more white faces in Bury Park today than at any point in the last 20 years on account of all the Poles.





Neither Pakistan or Iraq are Arabic countries either

I am from Luton and on the whole the communities have got along very well but there is definatley tension there ever since the poachers march and what happened and the EDL march earlier in the year. Unfortunatly the EDL got the reaction they wanted by not even turning up two weeks ago.

PS if you want a good cheap barber Bury Park is not the place - top of Beech Hill opposite Leagrave Heating cost you £5 but better standard, you want the owener - old skinng man to do it and for god sakes not his sons or you will need a skin transplant

[Stanman]

Welcome to the United Islamic State of Europe, The year is 2075...Just paranoid delusions?...I don't think so.

Have you ever read the Koran? If so, you either suffer poor reading comprehension, or ignorantly pick and choose which parts of the Koran you want to understand. I understand that it is easier to just insult those with a different view other than the current liberal agenda. I also realize that the modern western liberal position is to live life feeling guilty for Englands imperalist past, and feeling the need to apologize at every given opportunity for who u are.

Muslims have had a long, dark tradition of relentless violence commited against "infidels." That is a fact of history. But you don't know that, do you?
Did you ever learn that Englands appeassment of Hitler didn't turn out that well either. Spend a Euro, and buy a history book.

Ask Nicholas Berg, Paul Johnson, Daniel Pearl, Eugene Armstrong how their personal experiences with radical Islam turned out. OOpS, u can't, everyone of them was decapitated, their heads where sawed off by the rusty blade of Islam, the great religion of peace and tollerance.

Here is a gem of a religious proverb for you: "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." (Koran 8:12)
Don't argue that verse with me, Allah himself said that. The jihad that Muhammad called for is nothing less than world-wide terrorism. "Allah's Apostal said, killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" (Tabari IX:69)

Radical islam isn't a religion as much as it is a political movement with global aspirations. If you are so ignorant to believe that Moderate Muslims see you as an equal to them, and they do not subscribe to the same Koran that speaks of conversion of the infidels or death to them, then I don't know what else to say to you.

Christianity is being dissassembled faster than the World Trade Centers fell. Don't for one second think that the appeassment of these islamofascist will be acheived by just snapping the crosses off of every sacred structure in Europe. Inorder for a Muslim to acheive paradise requires converting you, or killing you. If you choose to have tea with Terrorists thats your choice, I wish you well, but because I choose to remember history, and understand that Islam, given the chance would kill me or my family because I refuse to bend the knee to Allah, respect my position as I will yours.

Can you ask them to Hurry up and get round to you ASAP

[JPreston]

I am from Luton and on the whole the communities have got along very well but there is definatley tension there ever since the poachers march and what happened and the EDL march earlier in the year. Unfortunatly the EDL got the reaction they wanted by not even turning up two weeks ago.

PS if you want a good cheap barber Bury Park is not the place - top of Beech Hill opposite Leagrave Heating cost you £5 but better standard, you want the owener - old skinng man to do it and for god sakes not his sons or you will need a skin transplant

Yes this year has been seemingly the most eventful ever with one thing then another (I see the helicopter was up over Bury Park/Biscot AGAIN today, hopefully nothing like the other week though). Just noting that I've never walked into a shop only to be called an infidel and chased out with brooms or anything like that.

Five English pounds? I'm not paying that for a bloody haircut, it only grows back anyway

[AD-15]

Have you ever read the Bible? If so, you either suffer poor reading comprehension, or ignorantly pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to understand.

It works across the board.

Precisely, there are many similarities between all faiths wrt this. But that does not mean it is violence.

I've seen morons like "texasguy" too many times all over the place, and it does really annoy me. They pick out only the phrases they can use to support their flawed argument, taking them completely out of context. I'm sorry, but these quotes are 100% useless when taken out of context. Format has illustrated this very well, thanks man. You've saved me the trouble.

At the end of the day, why don't these idiots just leave it to the more intelligent religious scholars to interpret the scriptures?

I've never met a religious leader who wasn't a most wonderful person. And I've also never been taught to behead any non-Muslims I come across, thank you very much.

EDIT: Why don't people like "texasguy" do themselves, and everybody else, a favour and do some decent research into the sayings and teachings of the prophet Muhammad and Islam?

[Agent]

I've seen morons like "texasguy" too many times all over the place, and it does really annoy me. They pick out only the phrases they can use to support their flawed argument, taking them completely out of context.

At the end of the day, why don't these idiots just leave it to the more intelligent religious scholars to interpret the scriptures?

Do you not see the irony of what you're saying here?

You're accusing someone you don't agree with of picking only phases to support their "flawed" point of view.
You then suggest that people you agree with interpret the same scriptures differently to support your view point.

Person A thinks person B has a flawed view point and their way is correct. Person B thinks person A has a flawed view point and their way is correct. And the sad part? Neither of these people can see the clear as day irony that is involved when trying to 'backup' their claims.

Do you know why we have to have people to "interpret" religious texts? Because most of the common religious texts, including the Bible and Quran are truly horrific reading if taken literally.
Back in ye-old days this was fine - it controlled people. As people changed, religion needed to in order to maintain this control. "Interpretation" was brought in to help solve this. It's almost laughable - things which were forbidden only a few decades ago (like being gay) are now openly accepted by many followers of that faith, and in some cases these people now hold positions of power in that establishment.


Perhaps instead of telling someone to do more research, you should stop using the exact same arguments that they are in order to make their point.


Please, for goodness sake, look up what "Interpret" means before accusing someone of taking things "completely out of context".

[JPreston]

Do you know why we have to have people to "interpret" religious texts? Because most of the common religious texts, including the Bible and Quran are truly horrific reading if taken literally.
Back in ye-old days this was fine - it controlled people. As people changed, religion needed to in order to maintain this control. "Interpretation" was brought in to help solve this. It's almost laughable...

The reason that religious believers need to talk about interpretation is that their religious scriptures are remarkably poor pieces of work; filled with not only with bigotry (format's post above), but also naked contradictions and such intense ignorance that they would be funny if half the world wasn't still trying to kill the other half over them, and vice versa.

Every animal on Earth lived within walking distance of Noah's house? A man lived inside the belly of a big fish for a month? Someone was reportedly able to describe a city a couple of hundred miles away reasonably accurately and the only explanation for this is that an angel lent him a flying horse? Solomon could converse with ants? The Earth is 6,000 years old and is fixed and does not move? The value of pi is precisely 3? Really?

But wait, someone on the internet says there are perfectly sensible interpretations for those absurdities, and for the entreatments to 'slay the idolators wherever you find them', and anything else that is clearly incompatible with mankind's development since the bronze-age. Phew, that's lucky!

[vti_786]

Should they be allowed to exist?

Yes

Do I like that they exist?

No

well said mate

[AD-15]

Do you not see the irony of what you're saying here?

You're accusing someone you don't agree with of picking only phases to support their "flawed" point of view.
You then suggest that people you agree with interpret the same scriptures differently to support your view point.

Person A thinks person B has a flawed view point and their way is correct. Person B thinks person A has a flawed view point and their way is correct. And the sad part? Neither of these people can see the clear as day irony that is involved when trying to 'backup' their claims.

Do you know why we have to have people to "interpret" religious texts? Because most of the common religious texts, including the Bible and Quran are truly horrific reading if taken literally.
Back in ye-old days this was fine - it controlled people. As people changed, religion needed to in order to maintain this control. "Interpretation" was brought in to help solve this. It's almost laughable - things which were forbidden only a few decades ago (like being gay) are now openly accepted by many followers of that faith, and in some cases these people now hold positions of power in that establishment.


Perhaps instead of telling someone to do more research, you should stop using the exact same arguments that they are in order to make their point.


Please, for goodness sake, look up what "Interpret" means before accusing someone of taking things "completely out of context".

I'm sorry mate, but this is a load of rubbish.

What "texasguy" was doing was literally pulling out single quotes from the Quran which woud appear to be, as you said, "horrific". How was my method the exact same as him?

I understand that to see what the Quran is truly about, you have to read the whole thing, understanding the language used and the context in which it was written. The Quran is a truly beautiful book, when you read it properly. When you start picking out individual lines from the Quran, taking into account neither the context in which it is set, nor what it is referring to, nor the text before and after it, you can have some quite disturbing content. But this is not the Quran. This is the Quran interpreted by idiots. This is why I told texasguy to let the more intelligent scholars to "interpret" these texts. By interpret, I mean the scholars will have devoted their entire lives in reading the Quran, and will have an incomparable knowledge of what is in it. These people are incredibly intelligent philosophers. It's important to understand this idea, as you seem to completely have misunderstood what I said before. My fault, I'll be more clear in the future.

It is not a case, as you seem to think, of one guy interpreting some lines in a bad way, and the scholar/muslim interpreting other lines in a nice way. No. Anyone who wishes to have a decent understanding of the religion must at least read the book in it's entirety, not single lines. They must research the ideas behind it, and know what the religion is about to begin with.

As for control, I can see you have a dire lack of knowledge about religion. How exactly is religion about controlling people? Granted, maybe some rogue politicians will have used religion as an excuse to do terrible things, but religion is not about this at all. Religion, as you would know if you were anywhere near knowledgeable enough about it to produce decent arguments on it, contains many moral values, manners which serve to benefit mankind.

Ironically, we wouldn't be as advanced a civilisation as we are now if it weren't for Islam for example. During the days of the Islamic caliphate, known as the "Golden Age of Islam", gigantic leaps in science and mathematics were made. The pioneers of scientific thinking were Muslims living in the caliphate, inspired by their religion and God. The kind of morals people have today are nothing compared to those that people had in this religious nation. Religion has taught man how to care for one another. Compare this Arabia I described to the "****hole" the place was before Islam came about. Even europe was sunk in the dark ages.

Religion has done so many great things for us. And, in my opinion, if everyone were religious, we'd be in a much better position.

So, no, Agent, religion is nothing about control. After all, one of the most commonly thrown about values in Islam is "there is no compulsion in religion". You'd have a hell of a hard time controlling someone if you weren't forcing them to do anything.

The reason that religious believers need to talk about interpretation is that their religious scriptures are remarkably poor pieces of work; filled with not only with bigotry (format's post above), but also naked contradictions and such intense ignorance that they would be funny if half the world wasn't still trying to kill the other half over them, and vice versa.

Really? Ah, what expert knowledge do you have about religion then?

I can't be bothered right now, it's too late and I have to get up early. I'll come back to this later.