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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

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    Ah, I assumed it was a % like petrol, as I said, I don't know it was just my "how will the government profit from this" sense tingling.
    Well, they certainly could profit from it.

    One way would be to use, as was suggested, a punitive rate of VAT.

    First, implement another VAT band. Second, set the rate at something that stings .... say, 50%. Third, implement legislation that defines the product types that this band applies to ... such as cheap lager, and cheap beer. You could even define it so that it applies to binge brands but not to premium bottled beers.

    Fourth, and here's the cute bit, it's the sellers that get to do the legwork of categorizing and collecting the tax. They have to work out which products the new rate appliers to and charge it accordingly. And it's relatively easy to do that. You simply have to add the new rate (call it B for Binge) to your accounting software, then go through your stock codes for the existing product range and change the VAT rate to B for any product that it affects, Your POS and accounting systems then do the rest for you, charging the customer, collecting the tax and remitting it to HMRC.

    After all, we already have a differential rate system for VAT and this simply means adding new punitive rate. Simplez.

    And that way :-

    - prices go up, which will deter binge drinking if this technique were to work.
    - the cost to the government is minimal, since the retailer acts as an unpaid tax collector and does all the legwork
    - changing the punitive tax rate is as simple as amending one figure in the accounts software setup

    It could all be done quickly, and the government would get the extra revenue, not the retailer, while the retailer does the work.

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    Has that not already been done recently on white cider? Or am I imagining it?

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    Weed & moonshine it is for the poor, then? That'll sort all the problems most posters believe Cammo's minimum pricing has just solved, won't it?!

    I really take issue with people saying "I don't buy the cheapest so it's fine by me" ; Well you may not my friend but there's a whole swathe of society that likes a drink and a smoke to forget its problems, just for a short time, that's become today's whipping boy.

    It's about policing and education, not about picking on society's poorest.

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    Cheap alcohol will still be available, afaict (although I've not yet done any detailed research into the policy wording). As reported, the main policy focus was that loss-leading on alcohol will be banned (although pricing and taxation will come under review).

    The gut-rotting foulness than is generic non-brand beer / lager / cider / spirits etc will still be as cheap as it currently is, for those whose only aim when drinking is to get as drunk as possible (rather than, you know, enjoying the experience). As I said earlier, this strikes me as being a far more symbolic move than anything else.

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    I think it was done on cider generally, to bring it in line with other booze.

    Probably because it's far less of a niche product now, so they were losing valuable income.

    I'm devastated... it's literally another 80p out of my pocket every year

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    the cider increase was ditched before the election as a change they didn't have the scope to deliver in time...
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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    @M0nkeyb0Y: You are right. Let's just pick on, err, I mean 'police' and 'educate' binge drinkers.

    Let's arrest those who puke all over the place in public, cause trouble and/or end up needing to be hospitalised due to alcohol abuse. First/second time give them a caution. Thereafter, give them a fined and/or community service (clean up the streets - somewhat appropriate).

    I am even tempted to suggest bringing back corporal punishments for those who simply do not get it after numerous times but I suppose that's another topic (my argument being that fines hurt the poorest, whereas the cane doesn't care if you are rich drunk or poor drunk).

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    the cider increase was ditched before the election as a change they didn't have the scope to deliver in time...
    Phew... I can buy an extra Mars bar this year now.

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    Re: The Honeymoon is Over

    Just been linked to this- compulsive and extremely depressing viewing:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sj713

    I don't think a below cost price ban is going to sort out any of this lot any time soon TBH. And quite where the Temazzies and Valium comes from....

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